Emma Hall

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Hi,

Apologies, I'm quite new to the world of funding, ILR and Apprenticeships and I wanted to check on something that may be quite rudimental for most.

However, with Apprenticeships and Breaks in Learning, the question is regarding the payments. 

If the break in learning started prior to the last ILR and wasn't showing then, but has now been added ready for the next ILR - If any funds are paid because of this - how do they get sorted when the learner returns? Would they be repaid back at the end or the remaining payments adjusted upon learner return?

Hope that makes sense

Thanks Emma

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Steve Hewitt

Hi Emma

This is a perfectly usual thing to happen, most BILs and withdrawals are reported at least a month after they happen.

Effectively, the monthly payment for this learner that you "shouldn't" have received will be "clawed back" next month. On the Monthly Payment report, you'll see a minus number on the Feb payment equal to the Jan payment. Obviously as only one learner out of many, there will still be some income to come in total, but, even in extreme circumstances where the clawback is greater than the following month's income*, it's not like they send the bailiffs round, it just rolls over to the next month.

Does that make sense?

*seen it a couple of times when people claim completion payments incorrectly

Emma Hall

Hi, Just re-opening this query - we now have this same learner return and have added the aims in now as restarts (the others were closed out as temporary withdrawal as per guidance docs). 

However it isn't clear in the provider support manual what we do with the TNP ? Do we just re-add it to the new aim with the same full cost as the original? This being the Restart codes and closed aims indicate the BIL etc ? Or are we to calculate a new TNP by subtracting the weeks (or rather few days) that the learner had already done ?

I can't see anything to instruct this. 

Also the learning aims should start on the return to learning date rather than the return to work date, correct?

Thank you!

Emma 

Ben James

Almost always the same price as before, see guidance here - https://guidance.submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/23-24/psm/article/apprenticeship-recording-changes

The original learning aims on the ILR must not be reopened. Record the price details as required using AFinType = TNP and the applicable codes. The price recorded on the new programme aim should be the same as the price prior to the break in learning unless you and the employer have negotiated a new price for the programme.

And yes, it’s the return to learning date, which you’ll need evidence of.

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Emma Hall

Thank you Ben, 

I think that is how I understood it (we are the employer and provider, therefore no negotiated change to price). 

So TNP the same as original aim

Learning start dates are the actual learning relevant to the individual new aim/s

Thanks Ems