English and maths OTJ hours

No see the guidance:

• “Can English and maths (up to level 2) be included in the off-the-job training calculation if the apprenticeship specifically requires it?”

Apprenticeships are designed to have sufficient stretch to require at least 20% off-the-job occupational training. They are designed on the basis that an apprentice already has the required levels of English and maths and therefore training for English and maths must be on top of the minimum 20% off-the-job training requirement.

English and maths is funded separately to off-the-job training. Also, it may not be required by all learners. It would be unfair if two learners received the same time away from their jobs but one of those learners used up a high percentage of this time studying English and maths, to the detriment of any occupational upskilling that their colleague was receiving

Also, English/Maths are unlikely to be listed as a KSB on the Standard, which is what's important, not just anything that is new...

Thank you gentlemen.  This is as I thought, but as someone had been so convincing with their argument, I thought it prudent to double check my thinking was right!

I appreciate your time both :)

Steve