Ann Bryant

Employed learners on Universal Credit - Full Funding/Unemployed?

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I know I read something about this some time ago, but I can't find anything which explains my query exactly. 

What is the point of this bullet point under the defenition of "Unemployed"?

  • receive Universal Credit (UC), and their take-home pay as recorded on their UC statement (disregarding UC payments and other benefits) is less than £617 a month (learner is sole adult in their benefit claim) or £988 a month (learner has a joint benefit claim with their partner)

Our MIS report that the ILR returns an error if there is a recording of employed, in receipt of UC but no declaration under the requirements for Low Wage. But surely the bullet point above is 100% clear...if the earnings are below £617 we don't need to see evidence via the low wage route - it is self declaration. 

In the particular instance in question the learner has ticked working 11-20 hours. If they work 11h at minimum wage, that's =11h x £10.42 x 4.3 weeks per month = that's £492.87, which although gross is still well below £617. They'd thererfore have to work a bit over 13h for this to kick in. (Amounts are too low for IC/NI deductions I believe.)

Are we really saying that unless you tick the less than 10h box, If you are on UC and earning you are going to have to go via the Low Wage route and therefore provide wage evidence?

Thanks

 

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Kelly Knights

You can use their UC evidence as evidence of low wage.

Ann Bryant

Thanks Kelly I'm aware of that as a type of evidence. The thing is, regular full funding is based on self declaration so there is no need for evidence at all.

Steve Hewitt

Hi Ann

Depending on the aim it *shouldn't* error in this circumstance. The thing we're looking at is Derived Data DD28:

Set to Y if LearningDelivery.FundModel = 35
and...
(LearnerEmploymentStatus.EmpStat = 10  and EmploymentStatusMonitoring.ESMType = EII and EmploymentStatusMonitoring.ESMCode = 2, 5 or 6 and EmploymentStatusMonitoring.ESMType = BSI and EmploymentStatusMonitoring.ESMCode = 3 or 4))
otherwise set to N

Which should knock out validation rules LearnDelFAMType_60, 61, 65 and 66. Which error are you getting?

Ann Bryant

Thank you so much Steve and aplologies fo the delay in replying which was due to half term.

MIS have confirmed the error is 81.

Steve Hewitt

Oh my, I've completely flummoxed myself here...

Basically, there are multiple DDs we could be looking at not just the one I mentioned above!

Without quoting 81 in full, the important bit is "does not apply to learners on active benefits (DD38 = Y)" and DD38 says:

Set to Y if...
(LearnerEmploymentStatus.EmpStat = 10 and
EmploymentStatusMonitoring.ESMType = EII and EmploymentStatusMonitoring.ESMCode = 2, 5 or 6 and
EmploymentStatusMonitoring.ESMType = BSI and EmploymentStatusMonitoring.ESMCode = 4, 5 or 6)),
otherwise set to N
 
So it shouldn't be firing for an 11-20 hour Employment Intensity with UC on the BSI...