Recording completion status as 2

Um, I don't get what you're asking to be clarified? A learner can't reach the end of the assessment period without doing all the bits of the assessment, can they? "If they don't do all the bits, they're a withdrawal" has been the line since day one of Standards? Partially why pass rates are so high...

Hi Paul

I'm really interested in the replies on this. On occasions, we have learners who simply cannot get through their Functional skills so no chance of them going through EPA, so we have marked them as 'Complete' on their main aim but with no achievement. I'm now worried we have been doing this wrong...

On their *programme aim*??? Because that's definitely not right. If they don't even go to EPA then they're definitely a withdrawal...

Sorry if I have caused confusion, that's why you shoudn't post late at night  Steve Hewitt Sam Hawkins. 

To clarify, I am being asked why we don't complete the programme aim (ZPROG) from 1/8 for gateway entry, to 2/3 when apprentice's don't sit all EPA components to enable them to achieve. The example in mind is where an apprentice on L2 Sports Turf Operative has sat the knowledge test but not attempted the practical observation and has since left employment in the relevant sector of their own doing. 

Thanks, Paul

Right, got you. I mean, it's the first sentence that you quoted?

In order to be recorded as ‘Completed’ (Completion status code 2), both the training and end point assessment activities for the programme must be completed.

If they've not done the practical at all, they haven't completed the EPA activities, so they're a withdrawal.

Thanks Steve, I think its the interpretation of the wording "internally", I have always stuck by all components must be attempted to be recorded as complete and no achievement. 

Thanks for the clarity Steve Hewitt, we will look back at our actions and do some checks, thank you 

To get the completion payment, can they be entered as 2-8 (awaiting results) or do you need to know if they have passed or failed in order to get the completion payment?

Hi Darren, In ILR terms you only flag the 2 in the completion status when all EPA components have been sat and a final grade is known (P/M/DS/FL). 

1/8 for programme aim for gateway, until this point.  

Completion payment trigger is CS = 2. 

(strictly speaking, it's Comp 2 and AchDate isn't blank, but as there's now a validation rule that errors if you don't put an AchDate in, slightly moot (unlike before that rule when silly providers literally chucked money away...))

Can i just bring this thread back to life with a question please? :)

If a learner fails all elements of EPA, then does not wish to continue or re-attempt. (This can be for one of 2 reasons). Either they attempted and failed, or they didn't turn up so was recorded as a fail by the EPAO.
Will both of these situations allow for a completion status of 2 as a fail grade was officially given by the EPAO?

And to clarify, entering this as a completion status 2, with no achievement - 3. ?

I can definitely see why pass rates would be somewhat inflated if this would result in a withdrawal instead.

Cripes... The Very Specific Thing is that they have ***attempted*** all elements of the EPA. If they've not turned up for one bit of it, then they've not attempted it, therefore they are a withdrawal (3&3). If they turn up and fail it, they're a completion and a fail (2&3).

I do appreciate the response Steve. I just weren't sure how this is perceived considering both result in a fail. It does make sense that the fact the learner attempted is the evidence we need to set this as completion status 2 which is exactly how i have recorded them.

Thanks for clarifying though should we have any in the future that simply do not attempt but receive a fail.

Cheers 

To be blunt, the difference is you don't get the completion payment if you set them to withdrawn...

(also, is a big reason why Pass Rates are so high!)

(I'm not in favour of this rule, just explaining how it's implemented!)

To follow on from this then Steve. For arguments sake if we were to withdraw the learner as they only failed 2 of 3 elements (as we wouldn't be able to claim completion), but this has now surpassed the R14 submission deadline, what implications would this have as the actual end date would be in the previous academic year?

Example:

Learner actual end date 25/07/2024 

Attempted elements 1 and 2 on 25/10/2024. 3rd element was planned for 10/11/2024.

Learner withdrew and did not wish to continue, therefore we process as withdrawal and not completed without achievement.

This however would show as too late for previous year data. Would this simply be something we would need to justify?