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Christine Gregory

SBC Event Indicators

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Hi we have some learners who we are claiming MS2 for who started after 1/8/25 so we need to use event indicators, but they are coming out in the Rule Violations saying they need an achievement date.  I have read the Provider Support Manual and this shouldn't be the case.  Is anyone else having the same issue?  Thanks 

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Steve Hewitt

That's... interesting?

Can't see an obvious Validation Rule that does that, what's the code please Christine?

Christine Gregory

It's R138.  Here's the snippet from the example in PSM:

Steve Hewitt

Ahaaaaa, think I've got it. R138 says:

For completed Skills Bootcamp programmes, the Achievement Date must be returned on the latest programme aim or at least one of the Skills Bootcamp event aims must be present in the Learning Delivery record.

error where
LearningDelivery.ProgType = 32
And 
LearningDelivery.AimType = 1 
And
LearningDelivery.CompStatus = 2
And 
LearningDelivery.AchDate for the latest programme aim is not returned or NULL
And 
there is no Learning Delivery record exists where at least one aim is LearningDelivery.LearnAimRef = Z0059747, Z0059748, Z0059749


This rule is not triggered by:
Completed programme aims where the file preparation date is six months after the Learning Actual End Date
(LearningDelivery.AimType = 1
and
LearningDelivery.CompStatus = 2 
and 
file preparation date > 6 months after LearningDelivery.LearnActEndDate)

 

So this needs updating because a completed ZPROG on 2&8 *won't* have an achdate *or* any of the old aims, will it?

Steve Hewitt

(have pinged the Validation Rules team, although doubt we'll get a change for R01 at this point!)

Christine Gregory

The Event indicator is supposed to be for new starts from 1st August and is used instead of the event aim as detailed in the rule above.  You don't add an achievement date until they have achieved the MS3, ie offer of a job:

Christine Gregory

Steve Hewitt Thanks for that :)

Christine Gregory

Hi Steve, this got changed to a warning yesterday so at least the learners were included in the submission, so thank you for pinging it to them :)

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