Chris Currie

DWP or DfE apprenticeships for under 19?

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Hi. How does the sector interpret the Machinery of Government statement from the PM yesterday?

It's clear in the wording that apprenticeships are moving to the Department for Work and Pensions - but it clarifies that further education and skills for those under 19 will remain with the Department for Education (but does not explicitly say apprenticeships here). Do others expect that all apprenticeships regardless of age are within the DWP? Or will they be split by age with under 19 apprenticeships sitting with the DfE instead?

Thanks

Chris

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Tracy Clement

I presumed it meant that all Apprenticeships moves to the DWP but I totally agree that that is not what they have said. Jacqui Smith will be working across both departments so they very much seem to be talking about a joint approach. 

As the ESFA just became the DFE and IfATE became Skills England, but in reality is all the same people doing the same jobs, I am hoping there will not be too much change at the coal face.

Steve Hewitt

Would expect all Apps and all policy relating to Apps, regardless of age, to be DWP, fairly sure that's how it was handled in the SFA/BIS days (because nothing is really new ;))

Paul Taylor

Hi Chris 

I expect that Apprenticeships will come under DWP regardless of age. What should happen here is that all functions and processes are lifted out of the DfE and dropped into the DWP with the wiring as far as the sector is concerned relatively well hidden so we should see little change. This has happened in the past under different Governments and will not doubt happen again in the future.

It would be useful for the Government to publish reasoning behind the move, and to provide more information in order to answer your question, but they may come in time. What would be better would be for them to tell us their plans on the Skills and Growth levy which is far too slow and not helping the sector but that is a different story.

Thanks

Paul 

Steve Hewitt

I presume the reasoning would be:

[Charlie Brown grown up voice] wah wah wah growth, wah wah skills wah wah

(excuse the cynicism but I'm not seeing a Grand Plan, here)

Skills and Growth Levy plans/changes *should* be with us this autumn BUT do the MoG changes mean that that gets pushed back??? And, per various commentators, if there's no change to the Levy itself (ie applying to smaller businesses, lowering the threshold, raising from 0.5% etc) there's not going to be a lot to spend without cutting App numbers...

Tracy Clement

Rachel from accounts may have something to add in November.........................