Tracey Grant

Last Day of learning vs Gateway Date

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HI all

I am seeking clarification  The funding rules state the following under the Glossary  schedule:-

 Final day Defined in legislation as the final day of the practical period. This is the equivalent of the learning end date on the ILR (there must be evidence of learning on this learning end date) and internally it is also referred to as the “gateway” between the practical period and the completion of the end-point assessment. The term ‘final day’ is used as a measure in the redundancy policy to determine if the apprentice will be fully funded to completion.

 And then for Gateway is says: See ‘Final day’.

 

However during a recent webinar  there was a presentation from one of the DfE audit firms who informed us that the DfE have said stated that the last day of learning cannot be the same date as the Gateway review date.

 I therefore I have the following question:-

Is it acceptable for an apprentice to have a final learning activity (which is linked to their KSBs / OTJ hours target)  with the assessor on the same day as the Gateway review meeting, ie this learning activity takes place before the Gateway  meeting?

Your thoughts are appreciated

I have also sent this same question to the apprenticeship helpdesk, so will add their response once received

TIA

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Steve Hewitt

Which firm? If there is some learning AND a Gateway meeting on the same day then that's totally fine as long as you can evidence the learning...

Tracey Grant

Hi Steve,

Thank you for your reply and that is very interesting to hear . The firm was Validera

Tracey

 

Steve Hewitt

Yeah, had a word with Karl and he says as long as there's definitely learning activity on the day it's fine, it's just that they often don't see that, they only see the meeting.

Tracey Grant

Thanks Steve - was really panicked after the session he did!!

I'm still awaiting the reply from DFE (its been escalated)  - and will add this once received - will be interesting to see what  they say 🤔.

Cynthia Amponsem

Hi Tracey,

Interesting thread - I wanted to see if you received an email from the DfE regarding your query?

Tracey Grant

Hi Cynthia

As yet we have not received a response from DFE - the query was escalated by them and am just receiving the usual "we escalated this to our Technical Support Team for further clarification". I can't believe that its takes this long to provide a response to what should be an easy question.

In the meantime we are continuing as before in that last learning also takes place on the Gateway date, unless we hear otherwise