Kate Saunders

Achievement payment deadline

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We have a lot of learners due to Covid that have gone in to out of funding. Is there a cut off time frame after expected end date when you would not get the achievement payment ?

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Steve Hewitt

Depends on the funding stream?

Kate Saunders

it’s for Apprenticeships

Kelly Knights

I might be wrong but I think it works like AEB where the payment is based on the learners actual end date, so if they achieve in 20/21 you have until R14 to receive payment, if you record the achievement afterwards with an actual end date in 20/21 then you can no longer receive the funding. I might be wrong though.,

Kate Saunders

Hi Kelly,

I feel like there is a cut off point and you scenario is what I was thinking. Which is a concern for our Hairdressing learners that have been unable to practice or sit EPA's for so long.

If anyone has anything else on this please let me know.

 

Thank you 

 

Kate

 

 

 

Laura Ryan Mortlock

We are in the same boat.  So do we not receive any completion payments if they go over R14??  At all???  Surely not.  We have a whole cohort that we had originally planned to complete EPA in June but due to COVID we are looking at November at the earliest, which is after R14

Does this mean we will not receive any completion payments???  

Kelly Knights

I believe its based on their actual end date.

So if their actual end date is within the 20/21 academic year you have until R14 to claim it. If their actual end date is 01/08/21+ then you can claim during your 21/22 returns

I would like Steve Hewitt   or Martin West input as they are way more knowledgeable then I am on this. @... ?

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From the Apprenticeship Technical Funding Guide, emphasis my own:

50. For apprentices on apprenticeship standards who complete their learning or
EPA in the 2019 to 2020 funding year or later, the completion element is earned
when you record an ‘Achievement date’ in the ILR and the ‘Completion status’ is
recorded using code 2 (‘The learner has completed the learning activities leading to
the learning aim’). You will earn this funding for the month of the ‘Achievement date’,
even if this month is different to the ‘Learning planned end date’ or the ‘Learning
actual end date’ of the programme.

So if you have an actual end date in 19/20 and an achievement date in 20/21, you will get the achievement payment in 20/21.

Martin West

See the Covid guidance:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-apprenticeship-programme-response/providing-apprenticeships-during-the-coronavirus-covid-19-outbreak

Apprentices whose gateway is being delayed are allowed a break in learning, with an extension to the assessment timeframe. The training provider is required to record this in the ILR and keep EPAOs informed.

As a BIL can be for over a year then this should be sufficient to rearrange the EPA.

Laura Ryan Mortlock

Thanks for that Becky.  I had a slight moment of panic then. But your explanation agrees with my financial forecasts.  I know the payments will be delayed, but we do get them no matter how late the completion is.

Thanks Martin but we don't want to initiate BiL's.  All learners are still in learning. We accept that they will go out of funding but we are still playing catch up with practical sessions. Unfortunately, as we are an IPT and not a school, we will not be paid any catch up premiums......

Steve Hewitt

So, yes, if the learners haven't done their EPA by 31 July, you'll get paid for it when they do it next year, even though they are well past their PED, because they'll still be continuing at 31 July.