Claire Baranowski

Handling micro-reductions in OTJH (<1 hour) & Price Adjustments

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Hi,

We occasionally run into scenarios where a skillscan/initial assessment identifies a minor reduction in Off-the-Job Hours (OTJH) of less than 1%, which equates to a reduction of less than 1 hour.

Because a reduction in learning has been identified, our system automatically adjusts both the planned OTJH and the total price accordingly. However, since the Digital Apprenticeship Service (DAS) only accepts integer values for price and hours, we can't record an OTJH drop of less than 1 hour on DAS to match our ILR/MIS system exactly. 

Any thoughts on this would be much appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

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Steve Hewitt

How have you managed to get yourself in a position where your skills scan is *so* detailed that it's possible to have less than an hour against something??? This is categorically not the intent of the rules and I suggest you revisit your skills scans to stop this kind of nonsense happening.

Like, how are you teaching one thing, in its entirety, with nothing else, in a single 45 minute session???

Claire Baranowski

In reply to Steve Hewitt · View original comment

Thanks, we have now amended this in our systems.

Steve Hewitt

Apologies if this sounded like I was having a go at you directly, this reducing of microscopic amounts of perceived "RPL" is *endemic* in the sector and it drives me up the wall because:

a. It's Just Not What The Rules Tell Us To Do

b. Across the sector we're surrendering thousands and thousands of pounds of funding for no good reason and then trying to complain that the funding values aren't sufficient...

I know which consultants put this fear of god about this into people and it's a dereliction of duty in my opinion.

Christopher Tate

In reply to Steve Hewitt · View original comment

I agree, RPL assessments should be limited to has the learner covered a full Knowledge, Skills or Behaviour otherwise it gets very very difficult to assess RPL.

Depending on the number of KSB's in the standard and the number of hours then your probably looking at something like 6-10 hours

Steve Hewitt

In reply to Christopher Tate · View original comment

See, I think 38.2 in this year's Rules goes even further:

38.2. Conduct a skills scan against the knowledge, skills and behaviours 
requirements of the proposed apprenticeship standard or a proposed 
training plan (which has been mapped across to the standard’s outcomes). 

If you're mapping against the training plan you don't need to get into the weeds of a 100 point KSB list (which, also thankfully, seem to be going away as Standards are reworked), it's just "will the learner need to come to this chunk of learning?" and, if yes, then no reduction required.