Julie Newman

Updating Outcome Record in LDP

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When an apprentice doing a standard has passed EPA and I have changed the Outcome to Achieved (1) from "learning activities are complete but the outcome is not yet known" (8) what dates do I put in the Learner Destination and Progression Outcome Record to ensure I receive the outcome payment?

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Steve Hewitt

Hi Julie

These are kind of two different things. You need to add the date they complete the EPA in the field called "Achievement Date". This triggers the Completion payment.

However (assuming the learner isn't going straight onto another Apprenticeship with you!), you do then need to add a destination and progression record which needs to have a start date AFTER the AchDate to not cause an ILR error.

Provider support manual: Recording Learner Destination and Progression (submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk)

How to do it here ^

Julie Newman

Hi Steve

I appreciate your help with this.  I have updated as you suggested and I am now getting the following errors:-

AchDate_09 AimType=3|LearnStartDate=02/10/2017|ProgType=25|AchDate=27/07/2021| The Achievement date must not be completed for aims that are not traineeship or apprenticeship standard programme aims
AchDate_09 AimType=3|LearnStartDate=02/10/2017|ProgType=25|AchDate=27/07/2021| The Achievement date must not be completed for aims that are not traineeship or apprenticeship standard programme aims
AchDate_09 AimType=3|LearnStartDate=04/09/2017|ProgType=25|AchDate=27/07/2021| The Achievement date must not be completed for aims that are not traineeship or apprenticeship standard programme aims
AchDate_09 AimType=3|LearnStartDate=04/09/2017|ProgType=25|AchDate=27/07/2021| The Achievement date must not be completed for aims that are not traineeship or apprenticeship standard programme aims
LearnAimRef_92 LearnActEndDate=|LearnAimRef=50089638| The Learning aim reference is not valid in the LARS database for this Funding model for this teaching year
R121 LearnDelFAMType=ACT|LearnDelFAMDateTo=11/01/2021|AchDate=27/07/2021| There must be a Date applies to that matches the achievement date for this aim.
R121 LearnDelFAMType=ACT|LearnDelFAMDateTo=11/01/2021|AchDate=27/07/2021| There must be a Date applies to that matches the achievement date for this aim.
R121 LearnDelFAMType=ACT|LearnDelFAMDateTo=11/01/2021|AchDate=27/07/2021| There must be a Date applies to that matches the achievement date for this aim.
R121 LearnDelFAMType=ACT|LearnDelFAMDateTo=11/01/2021|AchDate=27/07/2021| There must be a Date applies to that matches the achievement date for this aim.

Steve Hewitt

Ah, cool.

You don't add AchDate to component aims, just the Programme aim. And then you need to add the same date as the AchDate to the ACT "to" Records on the Prog aims.

Julie Newman

Thank you I have done this and it has cleared the errors now and I have the outcome payment showing in the R12 report now.

Thank you so much for your help I really appreciate it.