Eligibility - Bilateral Agreements

He would have had to have been resident for 3 years prior to the start of the apprenticeship but as he only moved back a year ago, this would make him ineligible.

Yeah, I think "bilateral agreements" is, to put it politely, post-brexit waffle.

Also, assuming this is a 17 year old (maths!!!), there's the extra categories for 16-18s at para 411 which, despite my asking, it's never been clear as to whether these require three years residence or not (they don't if they're study prog learners in those categories)... I'd assume this learner would either be 411.1 or 411.4? But, as I say, I'm not sure why they are there if a learner *also* needs three years?

Hi Steve I may be clutching at straws but isn't there something to be said if they left the UK they as a child i.e. was it really their decision? I might be wrong and it may still be 3 years regardless

That's what happens on Study Progs, of course. Think I'll have to Ask The Service Desk...

Hi all

I queried it yesterday with the help desk and this is what I got back. I was looking at last years rules which didn't help so the bilateral question isn't an issue! I'm going with 411.1 as I assume they are returning with parents but will get it checked -   

I have checked the latest apprenticeship funding rules for main providers and cannot find any reference to "bilateral agreements". The reference does appear in the 2020/2021 funding rules but as the person would be beginning their apprenticeship in the 2021/2022 year, these funding rules would apply:

"P389 UK nationals are eligible for funding if they: 

P389.1 have been ordinarily resident in the UK, the British Overseas Territories, or Crown Dependencies (Channel Islands and Isle of Man) for at least the previous three years before the start of the apprenticeship. 
(2021-07-28_-_2122_Provider_Rules_Version_Version_1.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)


The funding rules also state that for 16-18 year olds:

"Further information for 16 to 18-year-olds
P411 16 to 18-year-olds are eligible to be funded for an apprenticeship if any of the following clauses apply: 

P411.1 they are accompanying or joining parents who have the right of abode, leave to enter or leave to remain in the UK;
P411.2 they are the children of diplomats; 
P411.3 they are the children of teachers coming to the UK on a teacher exchange scheme; 
P411.4 they are entering the UK (where not accompanied by their parents) and are British citizens;
P411.5 they have a passport that has been endorsed to either show they have the right of abode in the United Kingdom or to show that they have no restrictions on working in the UK; 
P411.6 they are an asylum seeker;
P411.7 they are placed in the care of the local authority;"

If none of the above apply then it appears that he would not be eligible for apprenticeship funding as he has only been resident in the UK for 1 year.

Thanks all for your input
Louise

If he's not 411.1 I guess he'd be 411.4!

Yes, I suppose he would!

Raking up this old thread as my response from the Service Desk had got lost somehow (they replied mid October but I never received it somehow) and I was cleaning up my inbox and asked them again.

Long story short, any 16-18 year olds who meet the criteria in P411 DO NOT need 3 years' residency as well:

You contacted apprenticeship service support on 16 September 2021 when you asked:

Can I have some clarity on Main Provider 21/22 V2 Para 411 "Further Information for 16 to 18 year olds" please? Do 16-18 year olds in these categories *also* need three year's residency or, like Study Programme learners in these categories, are they immediately fundable?

Ticket reference number: 311830​.

They do not need 3 years residency. Each exception is sufficient in it's own right to determine eligibility.

Thanks Steve, good to get it in writing!