David Ravensdale

New Funding rules (RPL)

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I would like to gain people's perspective in relation to how the RPL adjustment is applied in 22/23 not around funding (as that seems a lot clearer now) but in relation to the duration. Currently, we apply 100% of the RPL as a reduction in course duration, however moving forward, will we only need to apply 50% of the RPL or does that only apply to the costs? the funding rules lead me to believe it is just 50% reduction on the costs as it does not refer to duration when applying the RPL? what are others thoughts?

 

P24.5 To reduce the total negotiated price you must: 

P24.5.1 Calculate the percentage of prior learning that the learner has, as a percentage of the off-the-job training hours that you would deliver to an apprentice with no relevant prior learning for the same standard. For example, if the individual’s prior learning accounts for 300 off-the-job training hours and typically, for the same standard, you would deliver 1,000 off-the-job training hours to an 10 individual with no prior learning, this would equate to 30% prior learning. 

P24.5.2 Reduce the price by at least 50% of the prior learning percentage, from the maximum funding band (the 50% reduction recognises fixed costs). For the example above, where the apprentice has 30% prior learning, this means there must be a reduction in price of at least 15% of the maximum funding band. This reduced price is the maximum that will be paid using apprenticeship funding (e.g. £8,500 for a £10,000 funding band).

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Steve Hewitt

These paras are definitely about price and nothing else.

David Ravensdale

Thankyou Steve, I did have a feeling that this was the case, we will continue to reduce the duration by 100% unless things change when the final rules are published.  

Martin West

The 50% of RPL is the minimum reduction in the price but the duration would reflect what is left to deliver the remaining OTJ hours in the training plan for the standard.

Mala Rajput

Hi Martin, I wish things were in plain simple English when it comes to rules... I am wondering if you were available to talk to over teams?

 

Martin West

I think they are in plain English in the RPL section, what is it you do not understand?

Mala Rajput

If for example what if our training plan is 400 hours per week and the learners Skills Scan with RPL suggests 300 is required, it is obvious that the duration will be impacted slightly and the funding too, for this example let say Max funding is 10,000.... how do I work this out?
 but the min OTJ hours is 310 based on the learners working weeks, duration of 12 months and taking into account that we are working on 6 hrs min OTJ... it is all so confusing for me at least....... help!
Trying to stay within the rules... 

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Martin West

AS per your example:

P24.5.1 as the individual’s prior learning accounts for 100 off-the-job training hours and typically, for the same standard, you deliver 400 off-the-job training hours then this would equate to (100/400) 25% prior learning.

P24.5.2 you would reduce the price by at least 50% of the prior learning percentage this means there must be a reduction in price of at least 12.5% of the maximum funding band. This reduced price is the maximum that will be paid using apprenticeship funding (87.5% of £10,000) (e.g. £8,750 for a £10,000 funding band).

The minimum OTJ training hours for a 12 month duration is 278.4 hours for a full time apprentice working 30 hrs per week or more:

Working weeks 52 – 5.6 stat. hol. = 46.4 at 6 hours/week =278.4 OTJ hrs minimum.

HTH

Mala Rajput

Martin West, thanks that makes sense now :-)

Martin West

The minimum for a 65 week duration would only equate to 348 hours?