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Chris East commented,
Hi Christine Gregory, I can confirm, you are recording the hours fields correctly.
Hi Christine Gregory, I can confirm, you are recording the hours fields correctly.
Chris East commented,
Hi Carrie Rogers, from what you've described here, the issue is that your R01 file is following the 26-27 ILR Schema so it includes RIP and HRS entities, but your R13 file is also following the 26-27 ILR schema. You shouldn't be including RIP and HRS entities in R13 and R14 for the 25-26 academic year, they should only be used for 26-27 ILR returns going forward. When you do include them for R01, this needs to be applied to all learners based on the email Christine Gregory has received from the DfE. I hope that clears things up for you a little bit at least.
Hi Carrie Rogers, from what you've described here, the issue is that your R01 file is following the 26-27 ILR Schema so it includes RIP and HRS entities, but your R13 file is also following the 26-...
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Carrie Rogers - I believe that HRS and RIPs need to be applied to all learner records now, not just 26/27 new starters, but it's not made explicitly clear in the guidance. We've certainly carried out a piece of work to enter all of this data into our SRS so it can be pulled for the return. What then isn't clear is whether this HRS record and any possible associated RIP1 record needs to be present on every ZPROG001 engagement, or just the first one. We have to build our ILR using tools outside of our SRS, so if anyone can clarify about how this is coming out of their software, it would be appreciated! Christine Gregory - From what I've found, the R162 error indicates that there is a RIP1 record on the ZPROG001 wrapper, indicating a reduction in price due to APL, but there isn't a HRS record of Type 4 that corresponds to this on the same entity. This is where it isn't clear about where the RIP1 and HRS records need to be recorded Should a RIP1 and HRS4 be on every ZPROG001, or just on the first one? Does a HRS1 record need to be on every ZPROG001 or just on the first one? If anyone knows for definite, please let me know!
Carrie Rogers - I believe that HRS and RIPs need to be applied to all learner records now, not just 26/27 new starters, but it's not made explicitly clear in the guidance. We've certainly carried o...
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Tracy Clement - The learner was made redundant but then found a new employer very quickly, and it was more that 25% of their course left. But good point, I had forgotten about that redundancy rule, we (luckily) don't get too many redundancies so it's easy to forget! Thanks Ruth Canham-James, I thought that would be the case, but always worthwhile asking. I'll get in touch with the Apprenticeship Service and see what they say and update here.
Tracy Clement - The learner was made redundant but then found a new employer very quickly, and it was more that 25% of their course left. But good point, I had forgotten about that redundancy rule,...