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Ryan Wiseman commented,
No - don't update your ILR record leave them as they are (continuing) & close it down as you normally would just "later" than normal. To confirm, you won't get any extra funding for these additional 2 months since all the funding due (except for the completion payment) will be paid to you already once they go past their Planned End Date.
No - don't update your ILR record leave them as they are (continuing) & close it down as you normally would just "later" than normal. To confirm, you won't get any extra funding for these addition...
Ryan Wiseman commented,
Hiya, where I've got to reading the new 25/26 rules is when looking at a random Apprenticeship Standard - Team leader / Institute for Apprenticeships and Technical Education This apprenticeship has a "typical duration to gateway" of 15 months. Therefore, if I have a new start in 25/26 who goes to gateway early such as 11 months and 16 days. They have worked harder than the "norm" but looks like we won't get the 2nd provider/employer incentive since they haven't met the 365 day mark (must be looking at Start Date vs Actual End Date & also typical duration of the STD) Whereas if the "typical duration to gateway" was 9 months & they achieved in 11 months and 16 days, we would get it paid the 2nd incentive at the 8 month mark (242 days) Does seem like the over-achievers would be getting penalised with this calculation, I would have expected to read "if the apprentice is on an apprenticeship standard where the published typical duration is 12 months or more, but they withdraw or transfer from their apprenticeship in less than 12 months, then this final instalment will not be made) - which is what happens anyway. I'm hoping we will eventfully get a list of all Apprenticeship Standards, Version, Maximum Funding Band, LARS Code, Typical Duration to Gateway (etc) to have a central place to look to make this easier?
Hiya, where I've got to reading the new 25/26 rules is when looking at a random Apprenticeship Standard - Team leader / Institute for Apprenticeships and Technical EducationThis apprenticeship has ...
Ryan Wiseman commented,
From reading the errors - have you populated the Length of Employment (less than 3 months) & should be in Length of Unemployment instead?
From reading the errors - have you populated the Length of Employment (less than 3 months) & should be in Length of Unemployment instead?
Ryan Wiseman commented,
Ryan Wiseman commented,
Hi all, Carrying on from what Steve has said it used to be just Science, I believe it changed slightly to look more at STEM courses. Depending on how you internally group up courses you may want to check if any of the Design & Technology courses like Fashion & Textiles/Product Design are eligible which the list can be found here - Qualifications affected by programme cost weighting changes - GOV.UK - so potentially yes?
Hi all, Carrying on from what Steve has said it used to be just Science, I believe it changed slightly to look more at STEM courses. Depending on how you internally group up courses you may want to...
Ryan Wiseman commented,
Hi Sarah, To carry on from what Steve has said near R14, I re-look through my Core Aims to spot anything that could influence our retention factor. Right now you may have a hybrid vocational/a level learner who are on all 2-year courses. Diploma Performing Arts Vocational -175 hours - last day of attendance 24/06/2025 A Level Biology - 175 hours - last day of attendance 04/07/2025 A Level Music - 175 hours - last day of attendance - 28/06/2025 'When students are on a 2 year programme and they complete the first year, they will be counted as retained in that academic year. We define completing the first year as being in learning on the last working day in June.' Therefore in the scenario above, I would be changing the Core Aim from the weighted vocational course, to the A Level Biology to maximise the retention factor because it will give you more funding. In addition, if you have any programmes which have 1-year certificates alongside 2-year a levels & the learner withdraws from all on 24/06/2025 but the certificate is "completed" I would change my Core Aim to this. * We keep our planned hours for these 'A Level Equivalent' subjects the same as an A Level. It fits in better with timetabling but in scenarios like this, where courses are of equal hours, you can find yourself in a position to increase your uplifts with the same data-set. I have heard people recommend picking a Core Aim that reflects the study programme total so in my example above pick one of the A Levels because the majority of hours are A Level driven. I'm not sure if this is a thing? Never has come up in audit for me & isn't in the funding guidance?
Hi Sarah,To carry on from what Steve has said near R14, I re-look through my Core Aims to spot anything that could influence our retention factor. Right now you may have a hybrid vocational/a leve...
Ryan Wiseman commented,
I assume these apprenticeship aims that are 2&8 are non-mandatory to the STD? Or else they wouldn't have been able to enter gateway. Doesn't help you for right now, this is why we record ours as FM99 & Aim Type 4, if the ESFA/Auditors want an opinion on these courses we are delivering in good faith to students/employers they can start contributing towards it. If I was in the scenario of having them as components I would have done a 2&8 and waited for the achievement when the learner sat in EPA to then change it to 2&1. As Steve makes no difference from a funding point of view.
I assume these apprenticeship aims that are 2&8 are non-mandatory to the STD? Or else they wouldn't have been able to enter gateway. Doesn't help you for right now, this is why we record ours as FM...
Ryan Wiseman commented,
Hi Angelique, Yes looks like a problem with the new FIS. We have a problem with the new 2425.6 version & various other providers have discussed on JISC they are also having a problem. I would suggest using your current version for now to produce the CSV/other tasks you use it for & use the Submit Learner Data as your error checking tool until it's resolved. Ryan
Hi Angelique,Yes looks like a problem with the new FIS. We have a problem with the new 2425.6 version & various other providers have discussed on JISC they are also having a problem. I would sugges...
Ryan Wiseman commented,
To add to this, completely agree with Ruth 100% The scenario I get myself twisted where planned delivery hasn't happened for example: Scenario 1: Level 3 Animal Management - 520 hours - L.D.A - 14/12/24 - Ok claiming for full 520 Tutorial - 34 Hours - L.D.A 09/12/24 - Ok claiming for full 34 hours Work Experience - 30 hours - Never started or organised yet. This co-hort has their planned work experience time in March 25 is this a non-start and therefore hours shouldn't be recorded. Or do we justify that the learner would have done it if they didn't withdraw & we shouldn't be penalised so leave the learner as 584 & not reduce down to 554 Level 3 Animal Management - 520 hours - Student completed & achieves - Ok claiming for full 520 Tutorial - 34 Hours - Student completed & achieves - Ok claiming for full 34 hours Work Experience - 30 hours - This co-hort went out in March 25 and 48/50 students went out & are ok. The two learners that didn't go out, would you non-start their work experience if a "replacement" of 30 hours isn't delivered to drop them down to Band 4? I appreciate we aren't expected to go down the "actual" hours route & then you have things in the rules with discretions for full time BTEC's, 5 GCSE's, 3 or more AS/A2's where they expect to be paying you the Band 5 rate...
To add to this, completely agree with Ruth 100%The scenario I get myself twisted where planned delivery hasn't happened for example:Scenario 1: Level 3 Animal Management - 520 hours - L.D.A - 14/12...