Paul Taylor
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Paul Taylor commented,
I don't think that is any change from the current process. If a learner is on a break in learning in 23/24, then that break in learning continues to be submitted in corresponding years until either the learner returns and restarts their learning, or you report the learner as having withdrawn . If the learner has not returned by R14 24/25 then this will be counted as a withdrawal in the QAR. Where a learner is retrospectively changed from a break to a withdrawal in 24/25 but with a 23/24 learning end date, then this learner stops being included in the ILR return. In this instance learners get added into the QAR as withdrawal and labelled as an overdue break in learning and added to hybrid end year based on planned end / actual end +1 year. My reading of that is that, aside from the R04 change, this is the same as it was previously but interested to see what the combined response is from the service desk is.
I don't think that is any change from the current process. If a learner is on a break in learning in 23/24, then that break in learning continues to be submitted in corresponding years until eithe...
Paul Taylor commented,
My reading of this Steve is that the process is as it was but you just have 4 months less to return. If you are a BiL then you have up to the end of the following academic year to return in order to not be counted as a leaver in the QAR. The difference is that you no longer get the first 4 months of the 3rd academic year to return in now that they are no longer using the R04. The process was already inequitable in that a learner going on a break in July would have 16 months to return (now 12) whereas an August break had 28 months (now 24). Obviously most breaks are shorter than a year but suspect there will be some small impact on headline achievement rates as a consequence of this.
My reading of this Steve is that the process is as it was but you just have 4 months less to return. If you are a BiL then you have up to the end of the following academic year to return in order t...
Paul Taylor commented,
Hi Sarah Yes you are right on this. A change in the methodology means that you now have 4 months less for learners to return from a break and them not to be counted as a penalty leaver within the QAR. I assume (and we know the folly of assumptions) is that the DfE have looked at the proportion of learners who come back in that window and have decided that this would not make a significant difference to achievement rates. Thanks Paul
Hi Sarah Yes you are right on this. A change in the methodology means that you now have 4 months less for learners to return from a break and them not to be counted as a penalty leaver within the Q...
Paul Taylor commented,
I think one of the things that we have to accept with devolution is that that DAs are increasingly prescribing what they want to purchase in terms of the courses being delivered/offered. DAs should have a good understanding of what the local economy / population need in terms of upskilling and they will commission on that basis. There will be some issues like this where individual / micro-regional needs are not met but the pressure on budget also means that they will have to prioritise. I get that is not ideal for the individual in this case but that is the direction of travel.
I think one of the things that we have to accept with devolution is that that DAs are increasingly prescribing what they want to purchase in terms of the courses being delivered/offered. DAs should...
Paul Taylor commented,
Hi Simon I think that neither will fund this. The DfE funding rules state that funding eligibility is only for individuals that are resident of non-devolved areas. Devolved authorities procure delivery from providers and colleges through a commissioning process and if you do not have a contract for services as a raining provider or a grant for colleges and other grant funded institutions then they will not be funded through that DA. I think that the expectation would be that you would refer the individual to someone within that Devolved Authority who can offer the course or signpost to the DA.
Hi Simon I think that neither will fund this. The DfE funding rules state that funding eligibility is only for individuals that are resident of non-devolved areas. Devolved authorities procure deli...
Paul Taylor commented,
Hi Martin There is no action to take and nothing should be changed on the ILR. Learners go passed their planned end date all the time and there is no need to change any data because of this. The planned end date is a funding construct as much as anything, and because of this should not be altered as it affects cross-year funding. From a quality point of view there may be processes that flow from learners going passed their planned end dates such as out of funding action plans for example. Thanks Paul
Hi Martin There is no action to take and nothing should be changed on the ILR. Learners go passed their planned end date all the time and there is no need to change any data because of this. The pl...
Paul Taylor commented,
Reply back from the service desk: The data is being refreshed with the latest ILR return - this means that the dashboard is temporarily unable to communicate with the data model, but this will be a temporary issue and users can try again later today, at which point you should see new data in the dashboard.
Reply back from the service desk: The data is being refreshed with the latest ILR return - this means that the dashboard is temporarily unable to communicate with the data model, but this will be a...
Paul Taylor commented,
Hi Emma - yes I have the same issue. It's a Power BI issue / reporting issue internally at the Agency (Skills England now?). I suggest you log a call with them to make them aware. Thanks Paul
Hi Emma - yes I have the same issue. It's a Power BI issue / reporting issue internally at the Agency (Skills England now?). I suggest you log a call with them to make them aware. Thanks Paul
Paul Taylor commented,
Hi CME If the learners are still in learning then they should stay on the ILR as continuing. I'm assuming that you are using the word 'extend' to reflect that they are continuing passed their planned end date, and you know that you cannot extend the planned end date in any way. If the learner has completed all of their learning and moved into gateway then the coding should change so outcome = 8 When the learner sits EPA then the you can update the completion status to 2 which will trigger the completion payment, and outcome can be updated once confirmed by the EPAO. There are no issues to be considered financially - that's how it all works. You would want to understand why the learner was due to complete learning in August but will not until the following year. What was the reason for slow progress, should there have been a break in learning? However, it does happen and for many standards EPA is increasingly taking place at longer intervals after the planned end of learning as end point assessment processes are lengthened.
Hi CME If the learners are still in learning then they should stay on the ILR as continuing. I'm assuming that you are using the word 'extend' to reflect that they are continuing passed their plan...
Paul Taylor commented,
Hi Sam The funding guidance has not yet been updated, but hopefully we should see this in the next day or two so we can understand how this is to be applied. The devil is always in the detail. 10,000 more apprentices as Government slashes red tape to boost growth - GOV.UK Thanks Paul
Hi Sam The funding guidance has not yet been updated, but hopefully we should see this in the next day or two so we can understand how this is to be applied. The devil is always in the detail. 10,0...