Gill Cumber
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Gill Cumber commented,
Further update: Your request (438820) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply to this email. Shaun (Apprenticeship Service Support) Dear Gill. Thank you for contacting Apprenticeship Service Support, my name is Shaun. I understand you have an apprentice who has went passed the expected end date and want to know if a new agreement needs setting up. You would not need to sign another agreement for the learner, if the learner goes past the end date then when the apprentice finishes their apprenticeship the end date can be amended to reflect the actual end date. I hope this clears things up for you Gill If you need help with anything else, you can: • search for help in the apprenticeship service at any time (https://help.apprenticeships.education.gov.uk/hc/en-gb) • call us on 0800 0150 600 (option 1 then option 2) • email us on helpdesk@manage-apprenticeships.service.gov.uk We are open from 8am to 8pm, Monday to Friday. Kind regards, Shaun Apprenticeship service support This service is provided by the Education and Skills Funding Agency (ESFA), an executive agency of the Department for Education (DfE). For further details of how your data is processed and your rights, please view the full ESFA privacy policy. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/esfa-privacy-notice RESULT..!
Further update: Your request (438820) has been updated. To add additional comments, reply to this email. Shaun (Apprenticeship Service Support) Dear Gill.Thank you for contacting Appr...
Gill Cumber commented,
Response from the DfE....quoting funding rules which i had seen but wanted clarity around the circumstances, as usual its open to interpretation so i'll speak with my directors and see what they feel is comfortable for the business and not put us in any awkward situations for audit purposes. Thank you all again for your comments. Dear Gill Cumber You contacted apprenticeship service support on 2 February 2022. Ticket reference number: 456955. We have solved your issue. The funding rules state: P287 If any circumstances change that affect any agreement made between you and the employer, you must revise existing agreements or create new agreements. This includes but is not limited to: P287.1 changes to the apprentice’s programme (including changing to a new version of a standard (see paragraphs P314 to P327); P287.2 changes to price; P287.3 changes to the apprentice’s eligibility; P287.4 any updates required to the employer’s apprenticeship service account; P287.5 changes to the apprentice’s contract or working pattern; P287.6 changes to the apprenticeship duration; P287.7 changes to the subcontractor; or P287.8 breaks in learning. 2122_Provider_Rules__Version_2_To_Publish.pdf (publishing.service.gov.uk)
Response from the DfE....quoting funding rules which i had seen but wanted clarity around the circumstances, as usual its open to interpretation so i'll speak with my directors and see what they fe...
Gill Cumber commented,
Thanks all for the comments, i've never come across this before but recently moved to a new employer where they believe this should be done, hence my comments. I've also emailed the ESFA directly but have yet to receive a response (apparently 10 days wait). So when they come back to me i'll try to remember to update here the response/guidance.
Thanks all for the comments, i've never come across this before but recently moved to a new employer where they believe this should be done, hence my comments. I've also emailed the ESFA directly ...
Gill Cumber commented,
Thanks Martin, that helps to a point, but if the programme duration on the AA has an "End date of apprenticeship (note 3 EPA)" of 31.12.21, but the apprentice has gone past this date for whatever reason and looks like they will continue learning on the programme for another 6 months, before being ready for EPA should a new AA be produced to cover the period from 1.1.22 through to the next anticipated "End date date of apprenticeship (note 3 EPA)", Sorry if I'm not being clear but i don't want to produce unnecessary documents if not needed. My concern is are we as the training provider and the employer falling foul of any funding rules that could be an audit issue?
Thanks Martin, that helps to a point, but if the programme duration on the AA has an "End date of apprenticeship (note 3 EPA)" of 31.12.21, but the apprentice has gone past this date for whatever r...