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Yeah, no, 37.5 hours a week over 38 weeks per year is still *just* full time (it's about 31 hours a week over a year), so there's no requirement to extend. In fact, if you do extend, all that will happen is the total OTJ will increase because it's purely based on number of weeks between start and planned end, there's no exception for TTO.
So, the upshot is, if you want to hit the minimum OTJ during the time the nursery is open, they *will* have to do more than 6 hours a week. If the employer "doesn't want that", then I'm afraid they can't have an Apprentice...
I typed a whole response, then didn't click send, then Steve replied saying essentially the same thing! Since I included some slightly different points, here's my answer anyway in case it's useful;
I just don't think you can do this apprenticeship if the employer will only allow 6 hours a week. If you extend the planned duration, you have to extend the planned OTJ along with it. You could let them go past their Planned End Date, and make up the missing OTJ after that, but I would never recommend that, and you couldn't admit that in your training plan.
A full time Apprentice has to do 6 hours a week on average over their contracted hours, and for anyone who has more leave than 28 days, that pushes it to more than 6 hours a week when they're working. Same if an apprentice had 38 days annual leave, you'd have to do more than 6 a week.
We toyed with the idea of whether we could record our term time only as part time, but when we added up the hours they do per year when they are working, and divide by the expected 46.4 weeks, they were 30+ hours anyway (yours comes out at 30.7). If an apprentice is doing 1,392 hours a year, they're full time, and have to hit 279 OTJ hours as a minimum each year.
Chris Baker
OTJ Hours for Term Time Only Apprentice
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I have read the guidance on term time only apprentices reference off the job hours (This nursery setting is open 38 weeks per year) .
The employer has specified that the apprentice would only have 6 hours per week OTJ study time to fit in with their existing opening hours and working pattern,although the apprentice works 37.5 hours p/w
P47.2 says we should be delivering more than the 6 hours per week to meet the minimum requirements to make up for less weeks.The employer says they do not want this.We will therefore have to extend the length of the programme to accommodate the required MINIMUM amount of OTJ hours.
Can someone advise,how we calculate the new length of programme to deliver enough OTJ hours ?
Thanks
Chris