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Yes, if someone has an actual end date more than 180 or 365 days past their Planned End Date, they will continue to appear in the appropriate count (my only learner on it finished in October, 372 days after she was meant to!)
Anyone under 180 days doesn't count.
It is right that if you have more than 250 in either category, regardless of what percentage this is, that will be deemed Not Good.
Also, it definitely *shouldn't* be counting FS, should be based purely on ZPROGs (not least because eg FS2 can "roll over" from an L2 to a L3 app), if you think it's counting them as well, we need to report this back.
It is only for the Programme aim
This refers to apprentices who are past their planned end date, or were past itwhen they completed their apprenticeship.
This includes apprentices where the
ILR
‘completion status’ field is recorded aseither:
code 1 – the learner is continuing or intending to continue the learning activitiesleading to the learning aim
code 2 – the learner has completed the learning activities leading to the learningaim
We’ll assess organisations with more than 15% of the total number of apprenticespast their planned end date by 365 days or more as ‘at risk’.
We’ll assess organisations as ‘needs improvement’ if they have either:
more than 15% of the total number of apprentices past their planned end date by180 days or more but less than 365 days
more than 250 apprentices past their planned end date, regardless of the lengthof time
Thank you for your angle Steveh and for confirming Martin. We are struggling to get back to the figure that would put us as needs improvement, as our percentages are nowhere near the threshold, so it has to be over 250 learners past planned end date, but still struggling to get to that many learners from our own checks. Does that figure only relate those that have exceeded their planned learning end date in this funding year only, and would have to put up with the coloured rating (even if those under 180 days are subsequently completed), and would reset in the new funding year? Thanks.
Have asked for some clarity ;) I think (but do not know!) they're counting everyone in this year's ILR, so if you have someone continuing in the ILR whose PED was last year (or even the year before!) then they'll be in the count. In a sense, there's no other way someone over 365 could show up if they didn't! I'm expecting the numbers to reset next year, but also that it won't be til post-R14, unless they dual run from August to November, which seems... unlikely...
Dean Cox
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Hello,
On the Apprenticeship Accountability Framework for Past Planned End Date, does anyone know if the figure is accumulative? If someone has gone past planned end date but then subsequently goes into EPA, will they still count as their last day of learning will still be past their planned end date regardless, or will it then reduce? As we understand it also includes Functional Skills learning aims, and not just the main ZPROG, as well as there being a threshold for needing improvement if 250 or more aims are at least 1 day over past planned end date, irrespective of the percentages. Is this correct? Just trying to understand and pre-empt queries if we become at risk.
Thanks in advance.