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Martin West Thank you for this however, how do you think we stand with this extract from the rles:
P299 Where an existing apprentice moves versions, they will continue the same funding band that they started on.
P300 The employer may choose to re-negotiate the price for the new version with you or the end-point assessment organisation. If the employer negotiates an overall price that is more than the maximum allowed by the funding band for the standard that the apprentice started on, then the employer must pay in full the difference between the band maximum for the original standard and the total negotiated price.
Does this mean we would add the additional fees commercially but keep the TNP within the original funding band limit?
See the guidance from the technical guide:
Scenario D - The employer chooses a new provider to deliver the apprenticeship
- The employer and the new provider will negotiate a new total price for the remainder of the programme, and record this in the ILR and, if applicable, the apprenticeship service.
- We will account for the earnings from the first provider before we apply the funding band maximum to calculate the earnings for the second provider. The total contributions from an employer's account across both providers will not be more than the funding band maximum for a single apprenticeship.
- If the apprentice was defined at the start of their programme with the employer as a 16- to 18-year-old or an eligible 19- to 24-year-old as described in the Funding Rules, then the same age category will continue to apply with the new provider. If the apprentice was initially eligible for the framework uplift, then we will pay any remaining uplift amounts to the second provider.
- The employer will continue to receive additional payments. Any remaining additional payments not paid to the original provider, you can be paid as the new provider. We add the number of days in learning with the first provider to the days with the second provider, to calculate when any remaining additional payments are due.
- If the apprenticeship is funded through co-investment, we will use the co[1]investment percentage which applied when the apprentice originally started with the first provider on that apprenticeship.
Even with a change in version you would only be funded upto the balance left from the funding band for the standard that the apprentice started on.
HTH
Andrew Dickens
Apprenticeship Transfer (funding band review)
Created
Following the funding band review announced last week I have a query.
We are currently about to take some learners from a provider that ceased training recently. The learners involved are on a standard where the funding band has been increased. Given that they've not started with us yet, and we have to negotiate TNP with the employer, are we able to negotiate up to the new funding band maximum (taking account RPL) given that the version of the standard has been updated by IFATE?
Thanks