Learning completed but retakes required

You should only be using code 8 when all learning has taken place, where they have to retake a module they have not completed learning.

Where does new come from?

Thanks for your time Martin

I was under the impression that we could not claim funding for learning already undertaken.   They can only do the retakes next year and we would not be able to claim for it as we technically already have.  Once the retake is completed, they will have finished.  Should they be put on a Break in Learning and then I return them for a day and complete them?

Thanks

If they have to resit then they have not completed learning, it is the same as when an Apprentice goes passed their planned end date but has further training to complete.

HTH

Thanks Martin,

Im still a little confused.

Should I then leave them as in learning even though this may be over a year passed the planned end date?  I have the evidence to back up the fact that they will have to wait to retake the failed module which is only taught again in the next academic year.

Or

Should I put them on a break in learning (technically a break in funding) and then return them when they re-sit the failed module?

My thanks again for your help

I think it depends on the type of learning. In HE, we wouldn't consider re-submitting of work for a module as "learning", so we'd have already closed them as 2/8. 

Exams do and don't get treated as "learning" in different contexts, but we tend to treat them as such. In which case, you first scenario (which is what Martin is suggesting) is right. What funding stream are they? There are other things to consider if you push into a new year, depending on funding.

I definitely wouldn't use a break. If you're passed the planned date anyway, you wouldn't be getting any further funding (unless you report hours in 23/24 for a 16-18 funded student).

Thanks Ruth

This is HE learning, and I have always considered re-subs as not "learning".  They have passed the planned end date.

The funding Model is Apprenticeship (36)

Thanks again for your assistance.

So just the HE component of an apprenticeship? So not actually directly funded anyway. If it's not a sit down exam/assessment, I'd leave it as 2/8. Try and get the results into 22/23 before R14 closes. If not, you'll have to put the result in 23/24. OfS actively hate it when we push things into a year with no active learning (and they don't consider re-sub to be learning), but if it's an apprenticeship component, and the Standard is continuing into 23/24, you have to roll the enrolment into 23/24 anyway, even if you already put the result in 22/23. OfS told us not to do this when they audited us, until we pointed out that it was an ESFA rule, which they were quite upset about.

Thanks Ruth, that is really helpful.

I will have to push them through because the result will not be known until next year.   I will make sure I have all the evidence to back up my position.

Have a great weekend!

Definitely do close as 2/8 in 22/23 still :) Otherwise it can make your HESES complicated, and OfS will tell you off if they audit you.

Just whilst on that subject, OfS were super clear with us that if a student had completed their final year of study, they must never be allowed to carry on past their planned end date into another year, they have to be fails and a restart if they're repeating a year. They also tried to say that no student could ever go past their planned end date in the ILR, which I disagreed with. If a student on a three year degree goes 1, 2, 3, 3 it is a fail after year 3 and restart. If they go 1, 1, 2, 3 or 1, 2, 2, 3, they are allowed to go past their planned end date, because they haven't actually finished the learning for that qual, so don't meet the ESFA definition of a completion (which is what a fail is). OfS were very unhappy about this, but couldn't argue because it's in the ILR spec.

Hi all,

Would you take the approach of leaving learners as continuing if they are fund model 25? We have a learner who is returning for the second year of an extended diploma but would need to resit an exam in January in order to achieve the qualification they sat this year. My instinct is that we would not want these active in parallel so we should update this year's enrolment to comp/not achieved/

Thanks

Hi!

We have a learner who is going back into learning before she can retake elements of her EPA, do we remove last day of learning etc. in the ILR and leave her as continuing until ready to go back into EPA? At that point, we'd need to complete new Gateway forms and a last day of learning etc.?

Thanks!

Georgia Smyth It might be worth starting that question as a new thread, as the only people who get notified about your comment on this thread, would be anyone who originally subscribed to it, so your audience is quite small.