Restart After Withdrawal But Now Above Funding Band Maximum

Without knowing the guidance to back it up, I'm sure I've heard a couple of people confirm that you have to use the band max from when they originally started, even if you don't include the Original Start Date.

Also, if they did more than 42 days originally, you'll already have drawn down some funding, so need to knock that off the new price.

The new duration can be whatever you deem suitable (as long as the two periods together are at least a year), there's no restriction on that. 

Thanks Ruth - I've a feeling he managed to do something like 44 days! I'll correct the data and documentation to use the original Funding Band Maximum as the starting point.

I'm going to amend the total negotiated price using the original funding band maximum minus the one month's funding already drawn down. A new Apprenticeship Agreement will be re-signed by all parties and the DAS record updated / approved by the employer.

Can I just overtype the current TNP 1 (as this is a correction) or should I enter it as TNP 3?

If I enter a TNP 3 record, do I just use the same start date as the TNP 1 record (so the TNP 1 data is overwritten by the TNP 3 data in the ILR)?

Thank You 

I think if they started in the current year, you can just correct it. I'm sure we've done that several times. If you've already had some funding, it can make the amounts in the reports look a little odd, but it should balance out.

Excellent - that's what I was hoping for (that it will sort itself out with the correct costs).

Thanks, Ruth.

I have a learner that withdrew in July 2024, she wants to return to the same apprenticeship to complete it. Her original start date was June 2022, so she completed a large amount of learning at point of withdrawal. She has since changed employers and the new employer is willing to let her come back to us, restart the apprenticeship and complete it. She will have less than a year left to complete, possibly sitting EPA to Nov 2025. Then there is also not a lot of funding left on the apprenticeship. Will this student be eligible to restart? Any advice would be appreciated.

Desiree Rooker It sounds like it. As long as you code it as a restart, and the total duration across both periods is at least a year, it's fine.

Since it's not a restart after a break, you don't record the Original Start Date. I think you'll need to just record the new reduced price based on what's left in the band. A change of employer would normally have these recorded as residual prices, but I think if it was a full withdrawal, just record TNP1 and 2? I might be wrong on that though.

Also, if you're asking a new question, I recommend creating a whole new post. The only people that will have been notified of your question on this one, were the people who already subscribed to this particular post, so probably just me and Rachel.

Hi Ruth

Thank you for the reply, okay that is good advice. 

Hi Ruth, Ruth Canham-James We have a learner who is having to withdraw due to not being able to find a new employer after the 12 week period following redundancy. The learner is naturally focusing on securing new employment but has asked if there is a time limit on how long is acceptable / allowed to pass before restart is no longer an option. I cannot find anything with a firm duration, so assume it's just what is deemed to be a realistic time frame before forgetting everything?!  Do you know any different ? Many thanks for your help 

Hi Michelle Leonard 😊 As I said to Desiree above, if you have a new question, I recommend starting a new post. Posting on an old one will only notify those who replied previously, and you'll have a smaller audience to help with your query (plus the people who replied previously may not use Communities any more so nobody would see your question).

Once the 12 weeks has gone past, and you've fully withdrawn, the only time limit to them restarting is whether the Standard still exists when they want to restart. If you've got a regulated component, you also need to keep an eye out for those expiring, though you could restart the Standard whilst having to start a new component from scratch.

I agree with you about forgetting everything too. Even if the Standard was still available, it could be so long ago that they're struggling and you may need to repeat content, and then it's up to the provider whether they want to do that for no extra funding. Sometimes there's a new Standard, but that has a lot of crossover with the old one so you can RPL (as long as it doesn't take the duration to below a year), and claim whatever funding is in line with RPL reductions without being capped due to previous funding claimed.

You're amazing, thank you Ruth. Yes, i should have created a new post, I am sorry...instead of solely relying on you for your super knowledge and willingness to help :) I really do appreciate it, thank you