Unfunded learner changed employer

You've said they're unfunded, but then said there's no funding left other than the outcome. Do you mean they are funded, there's just no on programme payments left?

For a change of employer post Planned End Date, assuming there was a gap of less than 30 days, we just treat it the same way, except there may be no TNP 3 if the EPA price was exactly 20% of the original price, so all of the remaining completion element sits under TNP 4. You new agreement must have the new Planned End Date, but you don't update the ILR Planned End Date. Even if an apprentice isn't changing employer, if they go past their PED, you have to update the Agreement dates with agreement from the employer.

If there was more than a 30 day gap, so you applied a break in learning, you would have to pick a new ILR Planned End Date as it would have to be after the new Start Date. If there's delivery left, you just have to record what you think is realistic. When we know there's no delivery left, we just pick a week or two duration as you can't record anything true whatever you do.

Thank you for replying. Yes there is no on programme payments left.

The learner was on a BIL with employer but then was made redundant. when we ended the BIL we changed Emp Status to redundant as he was nearly complete so he could finish his app. However he found a new employer after around 90 days who is willing to take him on and finish the apprenticeship with him. 

However has said there is no OPP left and passed planned end date. theres 882 left TNP 3 232 and EPAO cost is 650 so TNP 4 is that.

So i dont change planned end date on ILR i just give employer new planned end date on their apprenticeship agreement??

and use same dates on schedule 1 with amounts i mentioned above.

How does ESFA know theres no money left if i put in a TNP 3, is it because he still shows as passed planned end date?

If you did use a Break in Learning or full withdrawal, you do have to change the Planned End Date. If there was a gap of more than 12 weeks (84 days), it's a full withdrawal and a restart, which sounds like what you have. You'd have a new start date on a new enrolment, and you'll have to pick a Planned End Date after that. If he's got a little delivery, give a duration that covers that. If no delivery, just add a very short duration, as it's meaningless as there will be no delivery (but it's not possible to create an enrolment with no duration).

So when it comes to funding, I found an example we had. Student got past Planned End Date and withdrew. Restarted the following year and we reported a two month duration and the remaining 20% completion element amount as the price of £1,600, which was split into £550 Assessment and £1,050 Training). It didn't give us any more on programme payments, just the full £1,600 when they completed. So the ESFA reports clearly do know that the 80% on programme amount is used up, it doesn't split the £1,600 into £1,280 OPP and £320 Completion. I hadn't been sure about that so I'm glad I found an example! I think that's as it should be. We did code the new TNP records on the restart as TNP 3 and 4, not 1 and 2, I don't know if that would have made a difference.