Change of employer

I think on the basis that they don't give us the completion payment until all elements are complete, I don't see how they could take it from the first employer when this wasn't the case before the apprentice left them. I think it's almost certainly employer 2 that bears the responsibility, though you may wish to clarify with the desk

120. We will pay the remaining balance (the completion payment) of the total negotiated price, up to the funding band maximum, to the provider when the apprentice has undertaken all the activity relevant to the apprenticeship, including completing all elements of the end-point assessment.  

Many thanks Ben.  This was the direction I was going too

Hi guys, we have a similar issue to this but more on the TNP side of things. 

If a learner is in gateway when changing employer then surely there are no actual training costs left, but how do we ensure we gain the full completion payment and reflect this in the ILR as the EPA cost is less than 20%?

Best way that people have managed to tackle this in the past, if you're sure you've received all of the OPPs, is

1. Determine what the 20% retained by the ESFA at the outset was
2. Add your TNP3 as that 20% figure minus the EPA cost
3. Add your TNP4 as the EPA cost

For example, if the overall price to begin with was 10,000, split 9000/1000 as TNP1/TNP2 respectively, it would look like

1. 20% = 2,000
2. TNP3 = 1,000 (2,000-1,000)
3. TNP4 = 1,000

Yes, this is a bit of a fudge because there's no training remaining, but as your completion payment will be based on the combined value of TNP3 and TNP4, and you can't 'inflate' TNP4 arbitrarily, this will at least ensure you receive all you're owed.