Last Day of Learning & Functional Skills

Can the main learning aim be completed, but the ZPROG and functional skill still remain in progress until such time that the functional skill is completed? then ZPROG would go 1,8 until the EPA is completed?

If the learner is required to complete the functional skills in order to satisfy the gateway requirements, then the learning activities of the programme aren't complete until the functional skills are. In which case, what you've suggested would be correct. 

But... If your SRS is going to have a fit, just leave the main learning aim open as well, it's not going to make a whole lot of difference...

Thanks so much for your comments supporting the thought process, it is a rare occurrence, but it does happen and want to be sure it's returned on the ILR correctly.

Steve Hewitt If the functional skills aim is completed at a later time, should the main learning aim have its own earlier last day of learning, and the ZPROG last day of learning match the later date of the functional skills completion?

Yeah, that's the way to do it!

Am looking at this post because we have a learner in the same situation.

NOTE: We pay for all functional skills tuition without claiming from the ESFA

I can understand why the learner should not go in to EPA BUT - If we leave the Prog Aim open we will be expected to provide evidence of monthly activity to justify the monthly payments. - even though the learner has completed all elements and just completing F/Skills.

Would an alternative be to put the learner on a break until the math's and English are completed?

Bit confused. Example above is learner completing FS *after* planned end on the prog. In that circumstance no further funding is coming because you've got the 80% already, so nothing to worry about from that angle. Unless you've got someone completing their other stuff early, the component end date would match the prog planned end?

(also, no idea why you wouldn't claim for the FS, seems weird to me)

Learner has completed early so some of the 80% still available.

With the ITP for less than 1 year and have questioned why we do not claim - Board decision - reason unknown!

Can we record 1 & 8 but ask the EPAO not to assess the learner until F/Skills are completed OR allow the learner to be assessed but the EPAO withhold the certificate until the learner achieves F/Skills?

This is where it gets messy. So, at one point, when a learner completed early, you were *meant* to get a balancing payment immediately BUT, as far as I can remember, it ended up getting rolled into the completion payment (it's been a while, hopefully others can confirm or otherwise).

But I'd still agree with Ben above "If the learner is required to complete the functional skills in order to satisfy the gateway requirements, then the learning activities of the programme aren't complete until the functional skills are." The FS not being funded doesn't really change this?

Hi Steve

Correct - the outstanding payment/s are rolled in with the completion element (as long the learner completes - if withdrawn the payments are withheld)

If we remove the 1 & 8 and the learner returns to learning, how can we justify the continuing monthly payments when there is no delivery or activity taking place?