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Yeah, no surprise that's gibberish ;)
So, (regardless of Standard or EPAO, obv) if you knew your learner was resitting, they should've been left at 1&8 until they had fully fully finished. You only report the completion when they've stopped.
This though may not be a lot of use in your current circs if you reported the fail in R14. I'm honestly not sure what happens if you change the fail and the AchDate to pull it into 24/25. I *think* it will be OK, but not certain whether it will still be a fail in 23/24 QAR. Precisely what happens with the R04 data in the QAR calc is (to me, at least) pretty murky. I know it would pick up/"overwrite" an achievement before 31 July in R04 that wasn't there in R14, but much less sure on what it does to changes recorded after 31 July...
And it will definitely pop up on an FRM, so you'll need to be able to explain why.
If the achievement end date is in 24/25 it should identify it in that year for QAR. My understanding of the theory is that ESFA merge the ILR data across the years and use the most recent year's data to identify a learner's final position. But worth checking when you get the QAR!
Victoria Mansfield
Are fails late in the year not counted in the QAR that year?
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Hello,
So, I was trying to figure out what happens in the scenario where an apprentice fails EPA in July 2024 but then resits and passes at the end of October 2024.
We would report their fail in R12, but wouldn't be able to report the resit result in time for R14. Would they be counted as a fail in 23/24 QAR and then counted again as a success in 24/25 QAR?
I couldn't find an answer to this (apologies if it's somewhere obvious and I've missed it!) so I asked ChatGPT. Chat GPT says that there is a timeframe (that differs by standards and EPAO) during which fail results are put 'on hold' and not counted towards the QAR in case they later resit. Only after that timeframe has passed will the fail be counted towards QAR. It won't give me specific answers on where it's getting that from though, so I'm not 100% convinced. I would also be very surprised if QAR was calculated differently depending on which standard and EPAO the learner was with.
Does anyone know the actual answer on this rather than the AI answer?! ;) Thanks!