Gary Harding

Moving employer for EPA

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Hi all,

We have an apprentice moving after their practical period to a new employer for their EPA. The help desk tells us we will only receive a 20% completion payment based on the new negotiated price. The way I take this is that we will lose the 20% as we can only charge the new employer for the assessment cost. Is this correct, as it seems unfair as we have done everything correctly regarding training delivery?

Thanks for the advice

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Ruth Canham-James

That's an interesting question. Normally with a change of employer, you charge whatever was left in the band threshold. However, if there's no delivery left, how can you quote a "training price"? If your assessment price was exactly 20% of the total anyway, no problem at all, but if it was less, I guess you could lose the difference between the original assessment price and 20% of the total price (which does seem very unfair). Whatever price you charge the new employer (presumably just the EPA cost), you'll get all of that once they sit the EPA.

It's just the way the system works, that it's not just the Assessment cost that is held back in the 20% completion, it's often a bunch of Training cost too.

Gary Harding

Thanks Ruth. Yes, unfortunately we will be losing £1500 based on this.

Ruth Canham-James

You could charge the employer £1,500 training price I guess, it wouldn't come up as an error I think, and the employer might not care. That's a lot to lose because of a process oddity!

I once had an apprentice complete delivery early, then not sit the EPA. That meant we had to record as a withdrawal, despite the fact that we'd done all the delivery, but because they completed early we weren't going to get the balancing payment for the full 80% on programme payments. I queried the service desk, and they approved us putting the AED in the match the PED to draw down the funding we clearly deserved, even though it wasn't the true AED. It's not the same scenario, but just to say that they might tell you it's fine to record a training price when there's no training if you explain.