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Tracy Clement That only applies to any funds due after they were made redundant. If the provider was already owed some contribution from before they were made redundant, and that wasn't collected, that will still show as a shortfall and the completion payment will be withheld. Also, they might have been made redundant with more than 6 months/25% to go, so can't be DfE funded to the end.
Christopher East I'd ask the Apprenticeship Service. They might give you special permission to record PMR you never actually had. I suspect not though, so be prepared to just lose the completion 🙁
This is one of the reasons we ask for the full 5% up front (unless it's a levy payer who goes into insufficient funds, where you can only invoice once you know about past months).
Tracy Clement - The learner was made redundant but then found a new employer very quickly, and it was more that 25% of their course left. But good point, I had forgotten about that redundancy rule, we (luckily) don't get too many redundancies so it's easy to forget!
Thanks Ruth Canham-James, I thought that would be the case, but always worthwhile asking. I'll get in touch with the Apprenticeship Service and see what they say and update here.
Sorry Ruth, I'm not sure on your last point? I *think* they can "tell" because it would match/not match to the TNP3 date? Had a funky one recently where the payment from the second employer was recorded as day before the TNP3 and the completion hadn't come through (admittedly, we have yet to see if "correcting" this releases the completion, ask me again next week!)...
Steve Hewitt The original employer could absolutely legitimately make a PMR payment after they changed employer, since you record when you received it, and they cannot tell who made those PMR payments. It makes a bit more sense the other way around that you had, but I'd argue that's still completely legitimate as a scenario.
Christopher East
Liquidated co-investment employer and completion payments
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Hi!
We have a learner who was employed by a co-investment employer which has now gone into liquidation. We weren't able to get an invoice out to them before they went into liquidation, so we are unable to be a creditor as part of this process.
The funding guidance states:
"163. We may withhold the final completion payment until all the necessary employer co-investment has been collected."
Because we are unable to collect the co-investment due to the employer being in liquidation, have we affectively lost the completion payment? Is there a process that we have to follow to claim this? I've looked through the guidance and haven't been able to find anything about this. I was wondering if anyone else has come across a similar issue or has a possible solution?