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If they're finishing the whole programme in the first half of the year, they won't be band 5, so the E&M hours required will be reduced proportionately. It's only 100 for band 5. Table 3 here.
It's still 52 hours even at band 1, which would be challenging!
If any of these are still 17, how are you meeting RPA requirements if they're not doing a whole year?
The learners I am referring to have carried over into their second year so most should complete Maths/English by the beginning of next year. Sorry just struggling to get my head around it. I queried this with the customer help portal and was told if the English/Maths teaching hours for these students is below the minimum specified in the guidance then additional hours will have to be included to be in compliance with the English and maths condition of funding.
When you say teh beginning of next year, do you mean Jan 2026 or Sep 2026?
So they're continuing to do their main study programme through the whole of 25/26? We almost always only give students a year to do E&M, even on a two year programme. If they don't pass, they are a fail (sometimes a withdrawal), and we re-enrol for year two for another full year, we don't over the E&M. Just because their planned end date might be mid academic year, doesn't mean you can only claim hours up to the PED. If you document that you've now decided to deliver all year, and students will go past the PED (which we know can't be changed), then you can still record the full year hours (if you have register evidence for example). Are you not able to change plan and deliver E&M all year? If you have students who are planned to be band 5 in a given year, yet it's decided to only teach E&M for part of the year (and not drastically increase weekly hours), you're always going to hit this problem and they will all fail CoF.
The rules do assume that all 16-18 funded students study everything Sep-Jun, which is not always the case but this minimum E&M rule just doesn't take that into account (the reduction in minimum hours per band is not proportional).
If they're roll on roll off (even as a college we have some 16-18 funded stuff like that), they probably won't always be band 5 in every year then? When we run a programme that's basically full time, but maybe from Feb 2025 to Dec 2025, that might be band 3 in 24/25 and band 2 in 25/26. That goes back to my first reply, that the E&M requirement is not always 100. If you're delivering band 5 hours in any given academic year, you are supposed to be able to fit in 100 hours of E&M (if needed) in that same academic year. The Planned Learning/EEP Hours are per academic year, not study programme (unless it's a T Level), though the ILR spec confusingly calls this "teaching year". I assume that's the same for TPs? It's a challenge managing hours for roll on roll off.
Helen Wilshaw
Maths/English 100 hours carry overs
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Hi, could anyone please clarify the information in the guidance for our carry-over learners in the new academic year (2025/26) who are continuing to study Maths and English. It is a requirement that they complete the minimum 100 hours per year but do not have the length of programme to complete the 100 hours to be delivered? We have carry-overs that will be completing within the first half of the academic year 2025/26 and cannot alter their expected end date on the ILR. Any advice much appreciated. TIA Helen.