Apprentice re-starts

For restarts after a full withdrawal (not a break) it's remaining price only, recorded as TNP1/2. Flagged as a restart, but no Original Start Date. All rules apply based on the new start date, not the original one. Basically, treat it mostly like a brand new enrolment with RPL, except code as a restart.

Hi Ruth

Thanks  for your reply - which confirms exactly what I have done - yet we have not being paid correctly

ie we have not received any new monthly payments since restarting and now they have completed we are only being paid the difference between the residual price and what was previously paid under the first period of learning - in essence the restart is being treated as just a renegotiated price...suggesting that the TNP codes for the restart should have been recorded as TNP3/4?!

I am currently awaiting a reply from the helpdesk on this one....so wish me luck!

Tracey

Hi Tracey, you might have already seen it but the TNP and breaks in learning video on their Youtube basically confirms the opposite, that it should be TNP3 and TNP3 even on a restart if they've changed employer. The video is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6mp_E1LAUY 

Hi Alice,

No i've not not seen this - and I must admit I did wonder if it should be TNP3/4 - I'll certainly watch this!

Many thanks

Tracey

Alice Preece But this was not a break. Yes, break + change of employer needs TNP3/4.

We've never had issues using TNP1/2 for a restart after a full withdrawal. Is the DAS all set up correctly, there's no DLOCKs, you didn't record original start date?

Ruth Canham-James Hi Ruth, yeah I only mention the video because of this slide at the end. 

This was definitely coded as a restart  - and the funding was the residual balance...and still no reply from DFE!

I've literally just got to the slide mentioned above  - which totally contradicts the ILR guidance / plus means further manual intervention is needed in the ILR - so my Returner is currently on TNP1/2!

Please let us know when you get a reply! Very happy to be wrong but we have definitely been paid when recording a restart as TNP1/2.

HI All

Well i have an update :- where an apprentice withdraws, then returns to the same standard, with the same provider but with a different employer  then it is the residual balance and TNP3/4.

I am going to try this shortly, but I have also fed back that this scenario needs including  within the ILR provider support manual

Tracey Grant Thanks for reporting back 😊 I'll make sure we add that to our notes. You're right, it need to be in the actual written guidance, not just in a video where it's still not crystal clear. I don't really understand why it makes a difference, it's a new, reduced price either way. If they came back with the same employer after a full withdrawal, we'd cut down the price to be only what was left, not just report the original price as with a break. Maybe DfE think we should report the full price again for that scenario, I should ask.

Well interesting you mention the other scenario about returning  to the  same employer because i've previously had an issue with that as well and was was told by the helpdesk  that the original price should be used and recorded as  TNP1 /2 ....again not covered in the guidance, but I suppose this is  treated the same as a return from BIL to the same employer.....

My other  concern with that scenario is then calculating the 5% co-investment element   - esp if they have received a refund of the unused element previously and are now appearing to be liable for the full amount again?!

I've also now had a response for the additional question above:-

"Yes, if a learner withdraws from a standard and then subsequently restarted with the same employer, apprenticeship and provider the ILR again would require a TNP 3 and TNP 4 to be added with the remaining residual costs."

My mind is blown...