Nicholas Catterall

Adding TNP2 after start

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Hi,

I was hoping someone could help me with a problem.

I added a cohort of apprentices in 2019 with a total negotiated price of £27,000 each. At that time we hadn’t contracted with the EPAO and so I put the whole £27,000 for each apprentice under TNP1. We now have a contract in place and I adjusted TNP1 down to £25,900 and added TNP2 at £1,100. I thought this was the correct procedure but now I’m getting errors and payments have stopped. Can anyone tell me how I should have recorded the EPA please?

Thank you.

Nick

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Martin West

You should have left the original TNP entry at £27,000 and added new entries in the current year for TNP 1 at £25,900 and TNP 2 at £1,100.

HTH

Nicholas Catterall

Fantastic! Thank you so much for your help. 

 

Nick

Nicholas Catterall

Sorry, I also should have asked - the start dates for the new TNP 1 and 2, can I put these from this month or do they need to go back to the start of this year?

 

Nick

Martin West

I would use this month but it makes little difference as long as it is a date in the current year.

Clair Ayling

Reading this thread, I am questioning my understanding of the recording of TNP 1 /TNP 2.  In essence, am wondering how recording the maximum price in TNP 1 whilst the EPA cost is unknown reconciles with auditors requests for a breakdown of the negotiated price? 

Martin West

It is contrary to the funding rules to record the maximum price in TNP 1 whilst the EPA cost is unknown.

New for 1 August 2021

P104.1 - Clarification: To be clear that EPA costs must not be included in the TNP1 price on the ILR.

P228.2 You must accurately reflect the negotiated prices for training and end-point assessment onto the ILR. Where you and the employer do not know the details of the end-point assessment organisation at the start of the apprenticeship, you must enter the price for end-point assessment once this has been confirmed. This field in the ILR must be left blank until the price of the end-point assessment has been confirmed to ensure accuracy.

You must only record the agreed training cost in TNP 1 and this should align with the breakdown as required in the funding rules.

P371 The written agreement (or contract for services) between the main provider and employer must include:

P371.1 A breakdown of the total negotiated price (TNP1), associated with the delivery of training and on-programme assessment, against the headings of any of the eligible costs listed in P105 (training, consumables, assessment and administration, as a minimum). This breakdown must not include any ineligible cost and must not include the cost of end-point assessment.

HTH