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I'm confused. It feels like you're saying three different things here?
I'd usually, regardless of funding stream, put actual end as when they were last in a classroom (virtual or otherwise) rather than the exam date. So, I'd have them as 2 & 8 now until you get the results (assuming that happens by 21 October!!!).
Just to throw in another opinion, we've always counted physical exams in the Actual End Date. My logic for that is based off the 16-19 rules;
Q7 A student on a one-year learning aim stops attending at Easter to revise at home yet turns up and sits the examination in early June. When is the date of withdrawal?
A7 Early June. Sitting the examination is assessment of the student’s achievement and will count as learning. In practice, given the relatively short period of nonattendance, it is unlikely institutions would treat such students who passed their examination and qualification as withdrawals, instead recording them as successful completions
It wouldn't make sense to then not include exams in other funding streams.
Ruth Canham-James that was my logic. When I used to work in a college many moons ago we used an exam date as LDIL but now I doubt myself. Two trains of thought and equally logical I think. I suppose if they achieve, that actual end date at audit (if I used the exam date) would be considered a controls issue if the auditor disagreed with me as we'd still be entitled to all the funding as we've delivered the training and the learner completed and achieved. Right?
Hi all, My view on this has always been similar to Steve's but I can see this from both sides. The definition for the learning actual end date in the ILR spec as "The date that the learner completed the learning activities necessary to achieve the learning aim or the date the learner withdrew from the learning activities, accurate to within a week." would indicate that the exam is defined as a learning activity as it is necessary to achieve the learning aim.
Melanie Aspinall
Functional Skills - last date in learning
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Hi,
For functional skills in apprenticeships, can an exam date be considered the actual end date and converted in the ILR to awaiting results on that date or does it have to be the last date of learning activity? As we head to R14, I've got a couple of learners who have completed all learning elements but are still waiting to sit an exam or speaking & listening element. These have a last date in learning in 21/22 but looks like they won't achieve it until 21/22.
The provider support manual for 20/21 says:
Learning actual end date
This should reflect reality. For example, record the date when the specific aim has ended.
Surely the aim has ended when the exams have taken place? I'm just erring on the side of caution here with these aims being funded by the ESFA and not deducted from the levy, etc.
Thanks,
Mel