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Who is querying this? Colleague or employer? It's simply that the rules are that an apprentice has to spend 20% of their working hours OTJ, and 20% of 37 is more than 20% of 30. The hours are not really about doing enough content to pass the apprenticeship, I think it's more about making sure that each apprentice has a significant proportion of the time "training", to make sure employers aren't just using them as cheap labor. The amount they decided is 20%.
The pedant in me would ask why one was doing 445 hours less overall - @37 hrs per week this is nearly 3 months less overall.
Does the apprentice on the 30 hours a week have more prior attainment?
Are the Total negotiated prices the same?
According to the rules there is nothing wrong with this being the case as long as you are able to justify the difference.
Thanks for your replies.
The only reason one of the learners is doing 30 hours a week is that is the currently the only economically viable option for the employer. They simply do not have enough work to offer a 37 hour contract at this current time. Neither learner has any prior attainment, both are school leavers new to the industry. Both learners will actually complete the course together and receive the same amount of training (which will be well above the 20% calculated)
It was simply an observation by the employer leading to the question that if both learners need the same amount of training to pass the same qualification why should their OTJ differ by so much.
We have explained that this calculation forms part of the funding rules and is based on hours worked. It was just that, looking at it from the employers point of view, I can see how ridiculous it seems to them.
The reason for the difference is due to the Apprenticeship Act requiring that a minimum of 20 % of the apprentices working hours are spent on OTJ training. This is reflected in the funding rules as is the minimum duration of 12 months for those who work full time, full time is specified as 30 hours per week or more and for those working less hours the requirement is the duration must be extended proportionally to 30 hours.
HTH
Laura Ryan Mortlock
Explaining O.T.J
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Hi all
Can anyone please tell me how they explain the difference of OTJ hours required to 2 learner doing exactly the same apprenticeship?
The question posed is:
Why does one have to do more training just because they work more hours?
One works 30 hours per week and one work 37 hours per week, so the 20% OTJ calculation means the learner doing 37 hours per week has to record 89 more hours OTJ than the learner doing 30 hours per week to achieve the same end result.
Any advice will be gratefully received.