Alannah Rowles

ILR - start dates and reflecting reality?

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Hi all, 

We are in the middle of an internal audit and we missed a claim for a learners FS aim as part of their apprenticeship. 

I have been informed we cannot backdate the aim and the start date must be agreed with the learner and it must be a date from today or in the future. However, the learner has been contributing towards the qual the last few months and we have evidence of it - meaning they would need to re-do some of the work. I have been reading that the ILR must reflect reality, so if we have evidence the learner has been actively working towards the qual for the last few months, I am just wondering why we should/shouldn't back date the start date.

Thank you.

 

 

 

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Martin West

Who told you that? the ILR specifications are specific in that It is sufficient for the date held in this field to be accurate to within a week, providing that any approximation does not result in a learner being wrongly included or excluded in the funding calculations.

HTH

Alannah Rowles

Thank you Martin. Its a bit of an internal debate going on. 

I am under the impression, as long as we have supporting evidence that the learner has been working towards the FS aim - I don't know why we can't add the aim in and backdate the start date to that evidence of first learning. 

In my opinion, missing the FS aim originally was an internal administration error - by saying we cannot backdate, we are only disadvantaging the learner by basically voiding their last few months work towards the qual.

Is backdating in this circumstance ok?

Steve Hewitt

Yeah, the auditor is incorrect here, are they confusing not being able to claim stuff from previous years? Even in that situation, you'd still record the real date though, you just wouldn't get paid for some of it.

Alannah Rowles

Thanks Steve. I really don't know what they are confusing it with, in my opinion the financial impact doesn't matter (obviously as long as we don't over claim any funding). Just wanted to make absolutely sure we were able to backdate and reflect reality.

Thank you both! :) 

 

Ruth Canham-James

I wonder if they're getting confused with the fact you can't start a Standard without having everything signed? We couldn't back date a whole apprenticeship, but components are fine. We've definitely lost money before by being honest about a start date being in a closed year, and not being able to get the funding for the months in the year. We recorded what really happened!

Alannah Rowles

Yes, I'm really unsure what they are mixing it up with Ruth but absolutely agree with you. Reflect reality even if we lose out on the cash. Thanks all!

Martin West

If you follow the advice of the auditor you would be over claiming funding which is an audit issue.