Darren O'Neill

Small Employer Indicator - Change of Employer

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Hi, we have a learner who was 18 years old at the start pf the Apprenticeship and was with a micro employer. We included the small employer indicator on the ILR. They have now changed employer (within 30 days) and were 20 years old when they started with the new employer (also micro). My question is, do we need to include the small employer indicator against the new employer on the ILR? As the change of employer took place within 30 days, they have not been withdrawn and restarted, so it would seem to me that the small employer indicator is still related to the apprenticeship start date? Thanks

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Martin West

Only if the new employer is also a small employer, the 30 days has nothing to do with it.

Ruth Canham-James

Martin West The 30 days is relevant if the gap were over 30 days. That would require them to be a restart, which then makes them 20 at the start date of the non-break restart.

To the original question, yes, code as small if the new employer has fewer than 50 employees. You're right, it's based on age at start date (or original start date if it's a restart after a break).

Martin West

Sorry to disagree but you should use EEF for restarts when age has changed.

EEF code 2

Entitlement to 16-18 apprenticeship funding where the learner is 19 or over.

Record EEF code 2 when:

  • the apprentice is restarting a programme on or after their 19th birthday and was aged 16 to 19 when they originally started.

Ruth Canham-James

It would really help if ESFA could use a different term for a restart after an agreed BIL, and other restarts. Sometimes they mean just the former, and I'm not convinced that's not what the intended here. Since it doesn't specify, I agree, it's useable for a non-agreed break, which does mean you can use small employer.