Firoza Patten

R108 - Destination errors for Community learning courses?

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Hi All,

2021-22 - we're getting the R108 error for community learning courses - funding stream 10.

"Learner destination and progression' record is missing. As the funding learning aims are now complete, 'learner destination and progression' must be entered within 2 months of the actual end date of the last aim to be completed. Check 'learner destination and progression' is recorded."

FundModel=10|CompStatus=2|LearnActEndDate=06/07/2022|


I can't find anywhere in the documentation that says Destination is required for Funding Model 10?

The learners are also doing FE courses but that shouldn't be a problem should it?

Any help appreciated.

Thank you,

Firoza

 

 

 

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Ibrahim Mayat

Hi

If the learner has done an FE course then you need to submit a destination record within 2 months of the last aim. This could also be a FM10 Community Learning aim.

So even if you've submitted a destination record for an FE learner after they complete the FE course; you then need to submit another record if they complete another course.

Kind regards

Ibrahim

Steve Hewitt

I'm *guessing* they've done FM35 first then FM10 (or done them at the same time but FM10 finished last?)? So I *think* it's picking the FM10 record because it's the latest end date?

If they've not done FM35 then I'm a bit confused. You're right we don't need P&D records for purely FM10 learners.

(worst case scenario, "not known" is a valid P&D option...)

Firoza Patten

Thank you Ibrahim and Steve for your lightning fast replies, much appreciated :)

Kind regards
Firoza

Henry Wish (DfE)

Hi Firoza Patten,

 Please see article on R108 data error:

How to correct the R108 data error before the R14 close – ESFA help centre (education.gov.uk) 

Thank you,

 Henry

Firoza Patten

Thank you Henry 
"This error affects funding models: 25, 35, 70, 81, and Advanced learner loans. "

but my funding model is 10?

Aim Rule Name Field Values Error Message Funding Model
Z0002134 R108 FundModel=10|CompStatus=2|LearnActEndDate=06/07/2022|  'Learner destination and progression' record is missing. As the funding learning aims are now complete, 'learner destination and progression' must be entered within 2 months of the actual end date of the last aim to be completed. Check 'learner destination and progression' is recorded. 10

Peter Hancock

Henry Wish

Hello Henry, I'm picking up this issue with the R108 rule as I'd like to know if the validation rule is a correct implementation of the funding rules.  

When a learner only has aims funded by FM10, there is no need to return D&P data, and R108 does not trigger the error condition.  But, if a learner has an FM35 aim, and has a valid D&P record, and then subsequently has an FM10 aim in the same academic year, then R108 does trigger the error condition unless a new D&P record is returned with an outcome start date after the FM10 aim has ended.  

I have noticed that this rule still stands for 2023/24, but could you confirm if the rule is correctly implemented, please?  

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Henry Wish (DfE)

Good morning Peter Hancock,

 I'm personally not familiar with this specific area. Please can you use the Online Form to get in touch and I'll ensure the correct technician finds a solution.  

Cheers,

 Henry

Peter Hancock

Thanks Henry Wish, I've done that now.