Tiffany Hurst

Learner self funding degree wanting to do apprenticeship

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We have a potential learner who is currently self funding a degree and wants to do an apprenticeship alongside this. Is this double funding or is evidence that she is paying for it herself, invoice and subsequent payment enough for the evidence?

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Steve Hewitt

Assuming the degree isn't in the same kind of subject area, then yes, proof she's self-funding (and, just to be clear, an SLC loan isn't self-funding) should be sufficient.

Would definitely be talking to them to make sure they've got time to fit it all in though.

Ruth Canham-James

If the degree provider is reporting this to OfS, they might be claiming a small amount of funding, you'd never know. Where we code an HE students as major funding 001, if they're PT or STEM, they sometimes do attract some OfS money as far as I'm aware, that irrespective of whether they're paying themselves or taking out a loan. Technically, that would be overlap, as it's DfE funding. I can choose to unfund, but you'd have to check the HE provider was doing that.

Steve Hewitt

Yeah, that's always been my little worry about this. Nearly impossible to know *for certain* that the HE provider isn't getting *some* funding for the learner, but how much checking can (must?) a provider do? The rules have never been clear enough about this.

Steve Hewitt

But, conversely, how would ESFA/an auditor prove there *was* double funding in these circs?

Ruth Canham-James

Agreed, the rules are clear for HE. The only hint is the "DfE" bit. I'm pretty sure we'd enrol, it's just worth being aware if ever challenged.