Treise O'Rourke

ACT field and Achievement Date R02 VS R13

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Good Afternoon,

We have a number of learners who have actual end dates in 21/22 and achievement dates in 22/23. If we complete the ACT field end date with the achievement date we get an error in 21/22 rule violations if we don't we get an error in the 22/23. We are getting a similar issue with the achievement date we either have it filled in creating an error in 21/22 or we don't which means it is missing in 22/23 and thus we don't get paid. Our answer to this so far has been to add/remove the data based on the return we are currently working towards which is causing a lot of frustrating duplicate input. 

Are other providers having this issue - I think the problem is more likely with our MIS than the application of the rules.

TIA

Treise

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Ruth Canham-James

A golden rule for all my team is; The date must go in the year in which it occurred.

If the students completed in 21/22, but did the EPA in 22/23, the Actual End Date goes in 21/22 and 22/23, but the Achievement Date only goes in 22/23. The ACT Date To should match the Achievement Date, so you can only record that in 22/23, not 21/22.

You have to record in 22/23 ILRs, anyone who didn't achieve until 22/23. 

Martin West

See: https://guidance.submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/22-23/psm/article/recording-apprenticeship-outcomes-and-completion#article-Recording%20apprenticeship%20standard%20completions

All dates prior to 1/8/22 are recorded on the 21/22 ILR and dates after then are recorded on the 22/23 ILR.

HTH

Treise O'Rourke

Thanks, that is also my understanding, the issue we have is that our MIS only has one field for the ACT end date and so we can fill it in or not but not have it say two things in different years. 

Ruth Canham-James

Our MIS system recreates records entirely in each new academic year, so we can treat them totally differently. Do you use an off the shelf MI system? You'd have to speak to the people that make it to see what they suggest.

Steve Hewitt

I think putting, eg, 22/8/22 in AchDate/To Date in R13 is just a warning, not an error...

...by which I mean I did it (only one!) last week and it went through...

I agree it's not best practice, it was a thing.