Gary Salisbury

FRM 04 Warning Weirdness

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Hi is there an issue with the FRM04 warning does anyone know, I have a whole bunch of them for students who have never had an actual end date because they haven't actually ended!

The learning actual end date must not be changed between years  - FRM04

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Louise Garratt

Hi Gary

I can't tell you how relieved I am to see this! I've been paining over this for the last hour so it looks like a glitch. I'm going to raise it with the help desk so will report back.

Louise

TK

Oh my goodness, me too!  Nearly 2000 of these warnings! Hopefully something will appear from the ESFA about it asap!

Ceri Fishlock

Has anyone raised it as an issue with the ESFA?

Louise Garratt

I have and have literally just received the reply below.

Not too helpful so I'm going to do a few more checks and respond with examples to show where this doesn't apply.

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Thank you for your email.

We have made some changes to the rule and are reviewing the warnings against the report FRM produce, we are currently monitoring the FRM_04 warnings.

The FRM04 is currently a warning and does not stop or claw back payments.

An FRM04 (The learning actual end date must not be changed between years) triggers when a learner's actual end date field at R14 (academic year 21/22) is different to what has been recorded in the actual end date field in the current academic year (22/23 collections).

Please see Correcting errors guidance for information on correcting data between academic years.

Provider Support Manual: 2022 to 2023 - Correcting errors (submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk)

I hope you find this information helpful.

Kind regards

 

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Ceri Fishlock

I'll do the same.  Can you post any response you get please?

Thanks

Louise Garratt

I provided an example where there was no end date in R14 or R03 and this is the response -  

Our ILR team have made some changes to the rule FRM04 and are reviewing the warnings against the report FRM produce.

We are aware that is some cases the changes have flagged warnings against learners who have not had any changes from the prior academic year, and we are currently monitoring the FRM_04 warnings.

I hope you find this information helpful.

Kind regards

Henry Wish (ESFA)

Hi all,

 We have created a new thread regarding FRM 04 warnings:

Further education and training providers community - FRM_04 ILR warning

Have a great week!

 Henry