Paul Blackshaw

ILR, QAR and funding rules specialist with 13+ years experience. Providing ITPs and colleges with consultancy services to primarily support their Apprenticeship operations and management.

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Paul Blackshaw commented,

ULNs for the individual FRM queries are available by clicking View All Data.  

ULNs for the individual FRM queries are available by clicking View All Data.  

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Paul Blackshaw commented,

I received an email on 23/2/24 from Helpdesk@manage-apprenticeships.service.go.uk confirming they are speaking to their Specialist Support Team about this. 

I received an email on 23/2/24 from Helpdesk@manage-apprenticeships.service.go.uk confirming they are speaking to their Specialist Support Team about this. 

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Paul Blackshaw commented,

Yes, I will gladly update this thread if anything else transpires. I genuinely hope the ESFA will acknowledge that rounding in the calculation is inappropriate and incorrect. 🤞 

Yes, I will gladly update this thread if anything else transpires. I genuinely hope the ESFA will acknowledge that rounding in the calculation is inappropriate and incorrect. 🤞 

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Paul Blackshaw commented,

Hi Gill. please see Further education and training providers community - OTJT hours calculator

Hi Gill. please see Further education and training providers community - OTJT hours calculator

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Paul Blackshaw commented,

The helpdesk escalated this to their specialist support team. They replied last week to confirm they believe the published calculator is correct because the rounding of the planned duration is defined in the published OTJ guide, paragraph 84, which states “Note that in the calculation the start point (duration) and the end point (minimum number of off-the-job training hours) are rounded up or down to a full number. Statutory leave is not rounded.”  I've replied expressing my concern that rounding is not stated in the funding rules. I've also questioned why rounding ever needed to be applied because, in a mathematical context, it's failing to correctly determine the 20% minimum based on the apprentice's normal working hours (capped at 30 hrs/wk if applicable and less stat leave).  Here is the explanation I received with an example where the duration is rounded up from 52 weeks and 4 days to become 53 weeks.    The OTJ guide (point 41 to 44, and 81 to 90), and Apprenticeship Funding Rules (2023-2024 points 73 to 74), base the minimum OTJ calculation on the number of weeks as opposed to days.   The calculation is as follow: (X weeks (minus statutory leave) x Y hours) x 0.2.   Example: Apprentice has a practical period start date of 01/08/2023 with a practical period end date of 02/08/2024. This is 52 weeks and 4 days rounded to 53 weeks.   The calculation would follow as: •    53 weeks minus the 5.6 weeks of statutory leave is 47.4. •    47.4 weeks x 30 hours is 1,422 •    1,422 x 0.2 = 284.4 OTJ hours This is rounded to 284 hours. Regarding FRM37s, until the ESFA confirm they will accept an unrounded calculation, the only available option is to increase the planned hours recorded in your ILR and the respective compliance documents (Training Plan and App Agreement).   The helpdesk also said "We appreciate your feedback and this will be passed onto the relevant teams for review." . I believe my query with the helpdesk continues to be open. 

The helpdesk escalated this to their specialist support team. They replied last week to confirm they believe the published calculator is correct because the rounding of the planned duration is defi...

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Paul Blackshaw commented,

Yes, that's correct. Tick the box on all the restarted aims (programme aim and component aims). When you export your data it will appear as RES1 in your XML file.

Yes, that's correct. Tick the box on all the restarted aims (programme aim and component aims). When you export your data it will appear as RES1 in your XML file.