Steven Hale
I work primarily on returns/funding/DAS for a HE Training Provider with c.1500 apprentices covering 15 standards I've been looking after the ILR and funding requirements from the very start of our apprenticeship journey, starting with low numbers back in 2015/16.
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Steven Hale commented,
Hi Ella - sorry no further suggestions, it sounds like it is something to do with the ESFA agreement if that keeps popping up. I guessing you have the checked agreements the Employer account in case there is a pending updated agreement to be signed? When I look at our account I can see we have had a few versions , three in fact since January 2020. Just wondered if above when you said you had clicked on it and it shows as signed, whether that is showing that you do currently have a signed agreement, but not necesarily the latest version that might be pending? Clutching at straws a little now, but there is something in the back of my mind that out last agreement update wasn't made obvious and was unsigned for a few weeks.
Hi Ella - sorry no further suggestions, it sounds like it is something to do with the ESFA agreement if that keeps popping up. I guessing you have the checked agreements the Employer account in cas...
Steven Hale commented,
Hi Ben - not sure if this is just a case of misinterpretation of the wording. If an apprentice takes a break and returns, the OTJ and duration of training is likely to be the same, only with a BIL somewhere in the middle, therefore you wouldn't expect the OTJ hours to change. The revised timeframe I assume applies to the adjusted predicted end date. Therefore the duration of the apprenticeship and the OTJ is the same if you take out the BIL.
Hi Ben - not sure if this is just a case of misinterpretation of the wording. If an apprentice takes a break and returns, the OTJ and duration of training is likely to be the same, only with a BIL ...
Steven Hale commented,
Hi Ella - in that case you might want to check that all of the fields are complete on the cohort you are wanting to send for approval. I believe from memory, if the ULN is missing for example, you can still send to the employer to review but you can't approve and send. You can't approve on the TP side until all of the fields are completed.
Hi Ella - in that case you might want to check that all of the fields are complete on the cohort you are wanting to send for approval. I believe from memory, if the ULN is missing for example, you ...
Steven Hale commented,
Hi Ella - we haven't seen this problem and seems odd.The only thing I can think of is, have you approved on both sides of the process (TP and Employer accounts). When you sent the initial request from the TP account did you choose the "Approve and send to employer for approval" or the "Send to employer to review or add details" option? If you chose the latter then the record hasn't been approved on the TP side, so once it comes back from the employer you would be asked to approve.
Hi Ella - we haven't seen this problem and seems odd.The only thing I can think of is, have you approved on both sides of the process (TP and Employer accounts). When you sent the initial request f...
Steven Hale commented,
Hi Andrea - my comment was based on Degree Apprenticeships, not sure if you work to different rules if it is FE?
Hi Andrea - my comment was based on Degree Apprenticeships, not sure if you work to different rules if it is FE?
Steven Hale commented,
I agree with Martin and also add that the % contribution is based on the original start date. Therefore if they originally started before April 1st 2019 then it would be 10%.
I agree with Martin and also add that the % contribution is based on the original start date. Therefore if they originally started before April 1st 2019 then it would be 10%.
Steven Hale commented,
Thanks Martin - Sorry to labour this but I'm jut trying to get my head around how this would be coded in ILR. I argued this point with ESFA back and forth recently regarding apprentices that change employer and have a small gap in employment, but they insisted I had to withdraw and restart to prevent funds being paid while the apprentice wasn't in employment. So if an apprentice left on the 20th March and started again on 10th April, the TNP 3 and 4 codes would match the new employer start date, the new ACT From Date (if required) would also match the new employer start date, and the old ACT To date would have to be the day before the new ACT From date so there is no gap?
Thanks Martin - Sorry to labour this but I'm jut trying to get my head around how this would be coded in ILR. I argued this point with ESFA back and forth recently regarding apprentices that change...
Steven Hale commented,
So that would mean the previous employer paying for a month after they have actually left, which they wouldn't expect to under the funding rules.
So that would mean the previous employer paying for a month after they have actually left, which they wouldn't expect to under the funding rules.
Steven Hale commented,
Not sure I follow. The employment status would still be against the previous employer as there is no end date, and the new employer wouldn't have started until after the funding process runs? Similar with the financial details, they would still be aligned to the previous employer based on the start date, and no new funding record until the 10th of the following month? At the end of March ESFA will run the funding process, so presumably the previous employer would pay from their levy if they haven't stopped the record on AS. If they were a levy payer ESFA would pay 90/95% but expect the TP to collect the remaining 5/10% from the previous employer? Apologies if I'm missing something obvious.
Not sure I follow. The employment status would still be against the previous employer as there is no end date, and the new employer wouldn't have started until after the funding process runs? Simil...
Steven Hale commented,
Martin - out of interest do you know how that works with the monthly funding? If there is no break in learning and no gap between the ACT codes what would happen to funding? If an apprentices leaves on the 20th March and joins a new employer on the 10th April how does the funding system know how to process the March payment?
Martin - out of interest do you know how that works with the monthly funding? If there is no break in learning and no gap between the ACT codes what would happen to funding? If an apprentices leave...