Chris Bennett
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Chris Bennett commented,
It would be helpful if the ESFA could include an additional example and instructions within that article for the correct dates to use when the gap is within a calendar month, rather than straddling two months as per the only example given. It's useful for that specific scenario, as there is no employer in place on the last day of the month so the article clarifies who pays each instalment. However if an apprentice left their original employer on 30th March, and started with a new employer on 31st March - does the new employer pay the March instalment?
It would be helpful if the ESFA could include an additional example and instructions within that article for the correct dates to use when the gap is within a calendar month, rather than straddling...
Chris Bennett commented,
Richard Holmden - my provisional R14 data download is now showing and available, hopefully yours is available too now.
Richard Holmden - my provisional R14 data download is now showing and available, hopefully yours is available too now.
Chris Bennett commented,
If these are apprenticeship standards (FM36) then the QAR uses the hybrid end year, which is the later of the: achievement year planned end year of the learning aim actual end year of the learning aim reporting year If the apprentice has an actual end date in 20/21 but achieves in 21/22 then they will be counted in your 21/22 QAR figures (assuming reported on time and the planned end is no later than 21/22).
If these are apprenticeship standards (FM36) then the QAR uses the hybrid end year, which is the later of the: achievement year planned end year of the learning aim actual end year of the learn...
Chris Bennett commented,
Cheers Paul Taylor, can understand why this has been put in place, it is just trying to fully decipher how it applies in practice. Thanks Martin West, that is a clearer explanation in the technical guidance, and it seems like they have used a bad example in the business rules. So if I'm understanding correctly, it works as follows: Learner with planned end date in 2019 to 2020, goes on a break in learning in 2019 to 2020, no restart record by R04 of 2021 to 2022, will be counted as a withdrawal for QAR year 2020 to 2021. Learner with planned end date in 2020 to 2021, goes on a break in learning in 2019 to 2020, no restart record by R04 of 2021 to 2022, will be counted as a withdrawal for QAR year 2021 to 2022. Is that right?
Cheers Paul Taylor, can understand why this has been put in place, it is just trying to fully decipher how it applies in practice. Thanks Martin West, that is a clearer explanation in the technical...
Chris Bennett commented,
Thanks for the reply Martin West - it is the example which follows in the business rules that has confused me: If this scenario happens, we will set the reporting year to one year after the latter of the expected end year or actual end year. For example, if you recorded an aim with a ‘Learning planned end date’ in July 2020 with a planned break in learning in April 2019, this will be a withdrawn aim in the 2020 to 2021 funding year if there is no restart record in: the R14 ILR return in 2019 to 2020, OR the R14 ILR return in 2020 to 2021, OR the R04 ILR return of 2021 to 2022 In this example, the learner started their break in the 18/19 funding year (Apr 2019), and it suggests they wouldn't be counted as a withdrawal if they have a restart record by 21/22 R04 - so they could potentially have been on their break for ~31 months.
Thanks for the reply Martin West - it is the example which follows in the business rules that has confused me: If this scenario happens, we will set the reporting year to one year after the latter...
Chris Bennett commented,
Thanks for sharing that Steve Hewitt - exactly the same problem here with App data, number of achieved learners is as expected, but no withdrawals have gone into Hybrid End Year 2020, they are all 2020.5 It's a shame they cannot address, resolve and re-release the R10 data, or do an additional QAR In Year release at R11 given this problem. This would allow providers some extra time to check/reconcile against their own records and raise queries if needed.
Thanks for sharing that Steve Hewitt - exactly the same problem here with App data, number of achieved learners is as expected, but no withdrawals have gone into Hybrid End Year 2020, they are all ...