Paul Taylor
Systems and MI Manager at The Growth Company
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Paul Taylor commented,
It would be really useful if someone from the Agency could explain the delay and likely ETA
It would be really useful if someone from the Agency could explain the delay and likely ETA
Paul Taylor commented,
Paul Taylor commented,
The general answer to your question is that yes breaks in learning that do not return are counted as a withdrawal in a subsequent year - like a delayed penalty. This change was added to the QAR business rules a few years ago as some providers and colleges were using breaks as a mechanism of suppressing their withdrawals and therefore inflating their achievement rates. This solution does not feel right, but has been a way of forcing providers to this properly. The will create an issue for 20/21 and 21/22 achievement rates with the large numbers but on a break in 19/20 due to furlough or some other COVID related reason that did not subsequently return.
The general answer to your question is that yes breaks in learning that do not return are counted as a withdrawal in a subsequent year - like a delayed penalty. This change was added to the QAR bus...
Paul Taylor commented,
I echo the points above that Steve H has made regarding publishing data that is wrong which is incredibly frustrating. We spent half a day trying to unpick this before realising that it did not give us what we needed, which is the ability to cross check against our internally held data. Multiply that by however many providers and that is a lot of wasted hours. Onto the other issues: - When you publish R10 then do not only include learners with planned end dates up to the R10 submission. Give us the whole year as this is what we will be looking at. - Please gives us 19/20. We want to check this also and redacting it means that we cannot unpick all our differences. - A more fundamental issue; will the agency consider bringing in a planned EPA date to help more realistically plot when learners will complete within achievement rate cohorts? The planned end date for standards is likely to always be several months before the achievement date meaning that achievement rate cohorts are much more volatile than they have ever been. - What is the process for updating an EPA outcome when a failure is recorded in one year, but a resit is achieved in a subsequent year? How does this get picked up within the QAR calc? - can you tell us if and when an outcome related minimum standards replacement will be introduced.
I echo the points above that Steve H has made regarding publishing data that is wrong which is incredibly frustrating. We spent half a day trying to unpick this before realising that it did not giv...
Paul Taylor commented,
Hi Gaynor - our data is the same. It looks like they have loaded some dummy data and not actuals. We've just raised with ESFA. Thanks Paul
Hi Gaynor - our data is the same. It looks like they have loaded some dummy data and not actuals. We've just raised with ESFA. Thanks Paul
Paul Taylor commented,
Hi Matt We've not received ours yet. Was yours uploaded to the EFA Information exchange (I've no idea why we are still using this when all other allocations are posted elsewhere but I digress.....). It's an interesting point for training providers. The Agency acknowledged the impact of COVID on March to July recruitment for training providers with year round recruitment by providing a small amount of financial relief for some institutions that experienced a reduction compared the previous year. However, if we are then subsequently penalised through the allocations process for this then we are being treated unfairly as a consequence. I'd raise this with your local partnership team and I'd expect AELP to raise this if this is a pattern. Paul
Hi Matt We've not received ours yet. Was yours uploaded to the EFA Information exchange (I've no idea why we are still using this when all other allocations are posted elsewhere but I digress.......
Paul Taylor commented,
This is a welcome update. It would be useful if the Agency continued to monitor this though as we may need this flexibility beyond April 21. The flexibility acknowledges the difficulties of bedding this in. However, March and April are not peak recruitment months - April has 2 months of Easter in - and from April all starts will need to go through the Apps Service with funds reserved for non-levy payers so the volume will ramp up from April onwards and most significantly in early Autumn 21
This is a welcome update. It would be useful if the Agency continued to monitor this though as we may need this flexibility beyond April 21. The flexibility acknowledges the difficulties of bedding...
Paul Taylor commented,
It's completely up to you how you collect the co-investment payment. The only rule is that you collect it all so that the achievement payment can be released Paul
It's completely up to you how you collect the co-investment payment. The only rule is that you collect it all so that the achievement payment can be releasedPaul
Paul Taylor commented,