Dave Jeffries
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Dave Jeffries commented,
Just to add to this. We have the same situation in London, but have evidence from our awarding body that the quality and content of training meets the requirements of the qual and they are therefore happy for us to deliver in fewer hours. A nice bit of paper to wave in front of auditors.
Just to add to this. We have the same situation in London, but have evidence from our awarding body that the quality and content of training meets the requirements of the qual and they are therefor...
Dave Jeffries commented,
Hi, it's a bit more complicated that that. their contribution will be split between contribution for training and contribution towards the EPA cost. For withdrawals you should be refunding both the unused contribution towards training and the full contribution towards EPA. EG 24-month course with total cost of £3000 (£2400 is for training and £600 is for EPA). Their contribution will be £150 (split as £120 for training and £30 for EPA). You are using £120/24 = £5 training contribution per month. If learner leaves after 2 months (so you've received 2 OPPs), then you are entitled to £10 contribution. You should therefore be refunding £110 of training contribution and the £30 for EPA = £140. With your method you'd be refunding (150/24)=£12.5 x 22 = £137.5 ESFA auditors may pick up on this.
Hi, it's a bit more complicated that that. their contribution will be split between contribution for training and contribution towards the EPA cost. For withdrawals you should be refunding both th...
Dave Jeffries commented,
NB, it's divided by number of planned months where the collection date (last day of month) is in the planned training period. Eg 1 : learner starts 1 Jan 2021 with planned end date of 31 March 2022 = 15 collection dates, so £240 per month for 15 months. Eg 1 : learner starts 1 Jan 2021 with planned end date of 30 March 2022 = 14 collection dates, so £257.14 per month for 14 months. Dave
NB, it's divided by number of planned months where the collection date (last day of month) is in the planned training period. Eg 1 : learner starts 1 Jan 2021 with planned end date of 31 March 2022...
Dave Jeffries commented,
I've now been told that this error will not be changed to a warning. The policy team have changed the criteria for full funding in the 24/25 data for ASF. The LearnDelFamType_124 error is triggering because your learners have been recorded as fully funded against the aim but you have not included LDM391 (Earnings Threshold). This code is recorded whether the learner is employed or unemployed and is relevant. The learner needs be earning below the Earnings threshold with the LDM code recorded so that they are eligible to be fully funded against the aim. So, although the known issues has said 'A defect has been identified with this rule and therefore it is not triggering as it should.', they are now saying that it's not a defect. In the performance management rules, it talks about this for learners who are employed or self-employed and earn under £25k pa gross. The evidence requirements are wage slips (or UC statement), or contract of employment. My learners are all marked as unemployed. I'm sure this field hasn't been mandatory before. Am I being fobbed off?
I've now been told that this error will not be changed to a warning. The policy team have changed the criteria for full funding in the 24/25 data for ASF. The LearnDelFamType_124 error is triggerin...
Dave Jeffries commented,
Calling Henry from ESFA. Your service desk is getting inundated with calls about this issue. Could you give us an update on your plans? Any communication is better than none at all.
Calling Henry from ESFA. Your service desk is getting inundated with calls about this issue. Could you give us an update on your plans? Any communication is better than none at all.
Dave Jeffries commented,
I agree with Paul - and I've informed our devolved authority. I know from what the service desk have said that they are aware of and are reading this thread, which only makes their radio silence even more unacceptable. Do I stop everything and spend the next day and a half putting DAM code 023 against every learner, or will the fix be implemented today? I'm so frustrated (I'm a Man Utd fan and even they don't get me as angry as ESFA sometimes).
I agree with Paul - and I've informed our devolved authority. I know from what the service desk have said that they are aware of and are reading this thread, which only makes their radio silence ev...
Dave Jeffries commented,
I've tried every avenue possible, but it seems impossible to talk to anybody within ESFA about a solution to this (even if they could make the error a warning until they clear the issue). It's so frustrating that we get absolutely no information or support from them. I've found a solution for our devolved learners (by putting in DAM code 023, and (if no solution by close of play today), will have to do that for every learner/qual overnight to avoid the financial implications of the error. Just not fair how the ESFA get away with such bad service.
I've tried every avenue possible, but it seems impossible to talk to anybody within ESFA about a solution to this (even if they could make the error a warning until they clear the issue). It's so f...
Dave Jeffries commented,
Good morning all. No updates from service desk since last week, so checked again this morning. The error is still there, and funding is affected by it (despite assurances in the chat above from ESFA that it wouldn't). I've spoken to service desk again, and no update. Does anyone have contact details for the development team or somebody within the Dfe/ESFA I can contact? Thanks in advance
Good morning all. No updates from service desk since last week, so checked again this morning. The error is still there, and funding is affected by it (despite assurances in the chat above from ESF...
Dave Jeffries commented,
I raised it on 13 Dec with them. Still no resolution. I spoke to them this morning, was put on hold for 20 mins and then they hung up. I'm now waiting again for them to pick up. I did ask if they could make the error a warning until they sort out their end, as I need to do uploads within month for internal MI and finance reasons. Will post any updates here.
I raised it on 13 Dec with them. Still no resolution. I spoke to them this morning, was put on hold for 20 mins and then they hung up. I'm now waiting again for them to pick up. I did ask if they c...
Dave Jeffries commented,
Yep, they are AimType 4. My poor choice of wording. That's fine, but Aptem consultant is insisting that we need to create a programme with an aim type 1 to be able to generate the ILR. I'm a bit lost for words. Our quals can still be set up as aim type 4. I'm thinking of setting up programme aim as ZPROG001 (simply because this isn't going to try to draw down funding if it goes through), but then have this programme aim excluded from the export. It's the only solution I can think of but wanted to see if anybody else using Aptem for GLA AEB has a more elegant solution. Gonna take the dogs for a walk while I have a think :)
Yep, they are AimType 4. My poor choice of wording. That's fine, but Aptem consultant is insisting that we need to create a programme with an aim type 1 to be able to generate the ILR. I'm a bit lo...