Gill Knight

New Employer, then BIL, then restart

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I have a learner that started in 2021 (TNP1 and 2), subsequently changed employer in 2022 (TNP3 and 4) and then went on a break (April 2024). 

When they restarted (Spet 2024) the original ZPROG record has TNP1, 2, 3 and 4 on it and the new restart ZPROG has TNP3 and 4 with the original TNP3 and 4 amount and a restart indicator. The amount of money arriving is wrong and I have questioned it. 

In a video I watched from the ESFA the above scenario is what they suggested. However I noticed that this Guidance document suggests the TNP3 and 4 should only be the remaining monies that are available. 

Does anyone know what is the correct solution?  

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Louise Tomkins

This is one situation the ILR simply can't handle. We are now on our 4th or 5th learner with this scenario and I spent a year back and forth with the ESFA trying to resolve.

The ESFA confirmed to me that there are technically two options:

1. If you charged the maximum amount at the start of programme (TNP1 and TNP2), then you can technically leave the the TNP3/4 as the remaining value you entered when they moved employer, this will then just cap when it reaches the maximum amount and stop paying you, but this can be messy on your reports/reconciliation.

2. You can amend the restart TNP3/4 and reduce the values by the amount claimed under the second employer before the break, this will then require you to update the value on DAS for the second employer to be the restart amount and not the amount you originally agreed with them, but this does make your reports/reconciliation make more sense.

I hope this helps, ESFA published guidance on this specific scenario is not at all clear.

Louise

Gill Knight

Thanks for the response Louise.

This is the first time I have had this scenario and agree that the current ILR does not seem to handle it. The TNP3 and 4 with the restart indicator should be enough but clearly isn't. I have responded to their original advice so will check how they reply but with only 4 months before the planned end date I am inclined to wait and sort the over payment then by returning it with a PMR3 before the completion payment is claimed.