UKPRN_33 Error in R01 Submission

I've just managed to do an upload with no errors - admittedly it's only got 3 apprentices on just as a test to check going through ok. Will look at the reports and post back if anything odd on ours.

Hi Oliver,

I've run an R01 this morning and have 83 of these errors, cannot see why, all have been on programme for a while, as you say - ours have various status' and start dates, some original start dates going back to 2021.

Came here to see if anyone has the same before I raise a ticket. I've been through the validation rules (guidance.submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/26-27/validation-rules/rule/UKPRN_33) and can't see where we have apparently gone wrong.

Same here, we have 51 of these errors and again can't seem to see how to fix and wonder why they have only just appeared! I'll be raising a ticket now. Any of the experts able to advise?

Hi Oliver, long time no see and all that - how's things?

We also have the UKPRN_33 errors across both College and ITS ILRs, I've already submitted a ticket to the DfE this morning.  Do you have any other Apprenticeship errors that you don't believe are errors at all?

We also have this error, just the 76 for us! though :( 

Hi Alison Hardwick,

We also have 230 R161 errors (If Hours Record 'Planned hours for off the job training due to a reduction in prior learning' (HRS 4) has been returned, 'Price Reduction due to prior learning' (RIP 1) financial record must also be returned).

A handful I believe are genuine because they are still being processed ready to start. Many, however are mid-programme with a start date in 2025/26 and also do not have an "HRS 4" record, not that I can see anyway as there is no new "Hours Record" field in our pre-2026/27 ILRs.

We also have the UKPRN_33 errors. Mainly affecting Engineering programmes that started in 21/22, 22/23. Has anyone had a response from the DfE yet?

In reply to Rebecca Drury · View original comment

Hi Rebecca, 

We also have a number of these errors and I agree with you, some are genuine as they are awaiting RPL Trackers in Aptem which will then populate these fields.   

However, as you say, we have a number of errors for learners who have start dates in 25/26!

The other errors I have are

Again, these learners have 25/26 start dates, the R12 ILR was error free and all have matching data across all aims.

I submitted a ticket this morning so let's see what the response is.

In reply to Helen Bryant · View original comment

Hi Helen, 

No response as yet, I'll post here as soon as I hear anything, if anyone else can do the same.

Good afternoon all, 

Is anyone else getting this? I've reported to the helpdesk awaiting a response

In reply to Alison Hardwick · View original comment

Thanks Alison.

Not as many as others! Just the one UKPRN_33 but I've also made a ticket!

In reply to Lorna Haines · View original comment

Hi Lorna, have you checked your ILR File(s) for a Schema Error at all?

In reply to Rebecca Drury · View original comment

Hi Rebecca, My team have manually added the RIP Price for the 25/26 starts that had R01 error, we haven't added or amended anything to do with hours, and it's got rid of both the RIP Price and HRS errors.

I have 3 of these errors for 2022 starters and one 2026 checked Apprentice Service against ILR and all correct.  Will await an update.

Hi all, I have just had the response below from the helpdesk:

Just submitted and its been removed from errors, also received this from the DFE. 

Good afternoon,

Apologies for any inconvenience caused by the UKPRN_33 validation errors.

A defect has been identified with this rule and it has now been temporarily switched off while a fix is being implemented. If you are receiving UKPRN_33 errors, please resubmit your ILR data and validate again.

Thank you for your patience while this issue is resolved.

Response from the DfE...

Good afternoon,

Thanks all for relaying the responses from the DfE - very pleased to hear the errors have now disappeared!

Think I may have spoken too soon - we're now getting UKPRN_35 errors. Anyone else?

In reply to Helen Bryant · View original comment

Just re-uploaded and none here Helen

In reply to Alison Hardwick · View original comment

Ok, thanks Alison. Maybe I'll re-upload again and see what happens.