Clair Ayling

R01 & R13 Co-investment showing where not due

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Is anyone else seeing co-investment owing in R01 and R13 where it is not owing due to young apprentices enrolled with small employers prior to 1/4/24 and with no change of employment?  Am seeing payments owing where none has been for the entirety of the apprenticeships.

I reported it at R01 and was told the use of small employer waiver needed to be approved post 1 April 2024 but I confirmed that these apprentices have been live with their original employers since 2023. 

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Matthew Smith

Hi Clair.

We've had the same thing! I've made a ticket with the DFE

Jason Poole (DfE)

Hello both, we are aware this issue has occurred recently and while an initial solution seems to have solved most impacted apprentices, we are still investigating some that remain. If you believe you are still seeing this issue  please contact the support teams with details as this will help us identify the issue, and also to let you know when we believe it is resolved so you can confirm.

When there is an update we will also post details on here.

Matthew Smith

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Hi Jason,

Any update on this ticket? Conscious that R14 is less than a Month away!

Jason Poole (DfE)

In reply to Matthew Smith · View original comment

Thanks for the nudge Matthew. We have identified the likely cause of this issue and are currently testing a solution. We aim to release this before R14 deadline but it may not go in time for R02. In practice that will mean any corrections due will be made in time for R14 hard close, while corrections in the current funding year would be picked up at R03. 

Andrew Dickens

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Hi Jason, 

 

Is there anything we need to do as providers, as we have a large number (around 35 learners) in our R13 data that are showing a negative value for co-investment payments in R13 that should be exempt from co-investment contributions due to being 16-18

 

Jason Poole

Jason Poole (DfE)

In reply to Andrew Dickens · View original comment

Hello Andrew Dickens - no action required by any provider affected by this issue as we will carry out any action on your behalf as part of the R14 hard-close. You may notice your last ILR submission gets resubmitted [by us] just after R14which is to ensure the change is applied to any affected learners. The change is still in test and I will update this thread, plus any support tickets opened, once it has been applied, together with any information you need to be aware of (but it should fully solve any impacts).

Sorry for any concern caused by this given the time of year but be assured it is a priority to resolve.

Emma Ford

Hi Jason,

Is there any further update on the above issue yet?

We had raised a query weeks ago with the DfE customer help portal (who proceeded to forward our query onto the apprenticeship service support team) but haven't heard anything back from either.

Does the above post still apply?

If you could provide an update, it would be very much appreciated.

Many thanks.

Emma

 

Jason Poole (DfE)

In reply to Emma Ford · View original comment

Hello Emma, the issues affected a number of different scenarios and earlier this week we have implemented a fix which will resolve the majority. Providers do not need to do anything further and payments will be corrected as part of the normal month-end R14 process. I will confirm separately if you can see this already in the reports you receive.

We know the scenarios where the solution does not work and will be managing those cases separately after R14, with any payment corrections made accordingly. Any provider impacted in this way will be contracted directly following R14.

Can I take the opportunity to ask everyone to try and submit any updated ILRs as early as possible next week to avoid processing delays in the final days. As you are aware the Submit Learner Data service is designed to receive multiple iterative submissions throughout the submission window, so it is generally better to use it in this way if you are able to. We know that the final day is always a busy one for submissions and hopefully these are just the final changes you need to make before the hard close.

Steve Hewitt

In reply to Jason Poole · View original comment

Hi Jason

Thanks for this. Won't show up in anything we can see by submitting now as it's only in the Period End Reports. Lets hope the fixes work for as many people as possible. Also, for this message to be passed back to all of us who raised tickets urgently, not everyone reads Communities.

Once the smoke has cleared around this, would appreciate some transparency as to how we got to this point, it's been a bit of a trust breaker for a report/system that's been reliable for years...

Kate Nicholson

Is this issue also the cause of us NOT seeing any co-investment for levy employers for R13 where we would expect to? Again, I reported it to the helpdesk and it is still with the technical team..........

 

Kate Nicholson

Is this issue also the cause of us NOT seeing any co-investment for levy employers for R13 where we would expect to? Again, I reported it to the helpdesk and it is still with the technical team..........