Ben James

Apprenticeship service update

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In the update this week they've said they're making changes to the Apprenticeship Service to include a function for recording RPL.. but this presents us with a bit of an issue. The update states;

In line with the funding rules for 2022 to 2023 we are updating the apprenticeship service to now reflect the outcome of each apprentice’s initial assessment.

From 1 August 2022 there is a requirement to record any adjustments to duration or price when adding an apprentice. You will be prompted to add the following information:

  • state if there is any RPL for the apprentice (Yes/No)
  • if yes, detail the reduction in weeks, for training due to prior learning
  • if yes, detail the reduction in price, in whole pounds, for training due to prior learning

If you have not identified prior learning during the Initial Assessment and answer “No”, you will not be asked to enter the reduction details.

In theory this is great.. however, what if we say "yes" to RPL, but then state "0" in the 'reduction in weeks', do we presume it will fail validation and not go live? I know you are categorically meant to reduce the duration, but practically this can sometimes be very difficult for apprentices on degree programmes who will do modules at set times of the year, regardless of whether we've reduced the planned end date to account for RPL. This will surely mean that learners with RPL will simply go beyond their PED because there is no realistic way for universities to deliver bespoke training at different times of the year for these apprentices?

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Martin West

There are validation rules to enforce where RPL is true:

DurationReducedBy_01                 Field is null / empty AND RecognisePriorLearning is True

PriceReducedBy _01                       Field is null / empty AND RecognisePriorLearning is True

For the duration it must be a numeric character and it does say The duration this apprenticeship has been reduced by in weeks due to prior learning must be between 0 and 999.

 

Ben James

Interesting! Thanks Martin. So it doesn’t seem as though saying ‘yes’ to RPL and ‘0’ to the weeks’ reduction will cause it to fail validation. Would be interested to know if it gets looked at manually if there are cases of ‘yes’/‘0’ though

Ruth Canham-James

Same as you Ben. We'd always reduce the price for RPL, but not always the duration when there is a fixed mandatory qualification that can't be shortened because of the delivery pattern. If we can enter 0, that's fine, as we'll be able to justify that.

My issue is that this has come out 11 days before the rule comes into force. I now need to work out how that info gets from the team who calculate this stuff, to the team who enter it on DAS (different departments), and in specifically a weeks and £ format. We can't just assume reduction is band max minus agreed price, there could be other factors at work. Same with duration. We do have broadly expected durations per Standard, but they might be longer or shorter for some individuals for all sorts of reasons, not just RPL. With this, we need to say specifically how much RPL reduced the duration, ignoring any other duration variations. 

Gary Petley

I wonder if PICs can get this sorted in time for the CSV Uploads to DAS? Would have to input the original duration and negotiated price to calculate the difference.

11 days reduction = 1 week OR 1.636 weeks OR 2 weeks? I would have thought days would be better if you don't allow decimals and don't provide any guidance and with 11 days notice. Then if you want it in weeks use a formula, that I can provide if required.

 

Ruth Canham-James

Gary Petley - I think it'll be whole numbers, and we round it, backed up by documentation if needed. I would not advise anyone to calculate the price or duration reduction based on default/usual values. There may be many reasons price and/or duration are changed per apprentice. "Usual" duration minus planned duration might be 6 weeks, but that might be 4 weeks due to RPL, and 2 weeks for some other reason. Same thing with price. If our software providers give us places to store this for the CSV, I would expect they'll just add two simple fields that we enter manually.