Tracey Richardson
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Tracey Richardson commented,
Martin Locock the App Service video explaining the breakdown of costs is quite good for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WHWz5HKz-U&list=PLXjcCX3hH9LVEYs5j0-c7nUuYPDGjRzRx&index=17
Martin Locock the App Service video explaining the breakdown of costs is quite good for this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WHWz5HKz-U&list=PLXjcCX3hH9LVEYs5j0-c7nUuYPDGjRzRx&index=17
Tracey Richardson commented,
Emma Ford when this happened to one of our apprentices, when we did the restart ILR we recorded the new price as TNP 3 & 4 as the original price in the old ILR would effectively link to this 'restart' ILR anyway as it was a 'temp withdrawal' so links the two together. By putting a TNP 1 & 2 down on the new record, it may cause an error to come up as it may see them as two separate records.
Emma Ford when this happened to one of our apprentices, when we did the restart ILR we recorded the new price as TNP 3 & 4 as the original price in the old ILR would effectively link to this 'resta...
Tracey Richardson commented,
Steve Bowler, we contacted Helpdesk about adjustments to TNP 1 & 2 costs (following an ESFA audit where we was given some incorrect information!!) and we were told, that if the TNP 2 price changes we just have to add the new lines in to show the amended price for TNP2 and reduce the TNP 1 accordingly (do not amend the original prices/dates), and as long as it is the same as the overall price agreed, it won't cause an issue. All this will affect is the amount of completion payment you will be left with as they will only be paying the training payments based on 80% of the full agreed training cost as the 20% completion is what the EPA costs are paid from. So if the total cost is £20,000, you will get monthly payments based on £16,000 over the duration of the course and the remaining £4,000 would effectively be the completion payment, which would be where the EPA (TNP 2) cost comes from, so that shouldn't be above 20% anyway.
Steve Bowler, we contacted Helpdesk about adjustments to TNP 1 & 2 costs (following an ESFA audit where we was given some incorrect information!!) and we were told, that if the TNP 2 price changes ...
Tracey Richardson commented,
Ruth Canham-James, yes it is a bit of a minefield at times. This is just one T level, level 3 which apparently has a GLH of 1090 (core is 520 on it's own without the specialism), which is why I was questioning as to how this stood up as a level 3 qualification, in this case, as it has supposedly been completed in under a year. However, I feel there is more digging to be done, in this case, as we have spoken with the lad concerned, and after further checking the AO's certification page, it appears he has only done half of the qualification, so not sure why this has been claimed as full on the PLR? 🤔
Ruth Canham-James, yes it is a bit of a minefield at times. This is just one T level, level 3 which apparently has a GLH of 1090 (core is 520 on it's own without the specialism), which is why I was...
Tracey Richardson commented,
Steve Hewitt, thanks for that response. I remember years ago that for whichever level you were at, the FS could be at the level below, but I felt that I needed to query it as the funding rules seemed to contradict this somewhat.
Steve Hewitt, thanks for that response. I remember years ago that for whichever level you were at, the FS could be at the level below, but I felt that I needed to query it as the funding rules seem...
Tracey Richardson commented,
Steve Hewitt, in such circumstances, would this still generate the completion payments, due to the fact the learner has completed their EPA? The reason I ask is that we have a learner (16-18) that has completed his EPA, but keeps failing his maths L2. I have tried to seek clarity from DfE helpdesk, but they are still 'working on it', as the Funding rules don't seem that clear tbh. The EPA plan for that qual for the level 2 just states that they must have 'achieved English and mathematics qualifications in line with the apprenticeship funding rules', and funding rules for 23-24 seem to suggest that they need to achieve at level 2, but in para 42, also states, about where for Level 2 standards that do not require a Level 2 FS for the apprenticeship etc. as the EPA plan is rather vague on this point we're not sure where we stand, but surely if the apprentice has to have their level 2 iaw funding rules, then should the EPAO have accepted an attempt in the first place? We're reluctant to submit the ILR data until we get confirmation on this point as we don't want to fall foul of missing out on the completion payments.
Steve Hewitt, in such circumstances, would this still generate the completion payments, due to the fact the learner has completed their EPA? The reason I ask is that we have a learner (16-18) that ...
Tracey Richardson commented,
Chloe Thanks for the confirmation. That was what we thought, but then started to doubt ourselves. We are trying to find how we 'create' a new learning aim for the FS, for them to continue, but failing that it might be a case of closing the ILR with the 'fail' showing on the record for maths, and then when they do resit and pass, contacting the AO to upload to get the recognition of the pass on their PLR.
Chloe Thanks for the confirmation. That was what we thought, but then started to doubt ourselves. We are trying to find how we 'create' a new learning aim for the FS, for them to continue, but fail...
Tracey Richardson commented,
Chloe the Skills England website just states the must have 'achieved English and mathematics qualifications in line with the apprenticeship funding rules', but the Gateway requirements allow for the EPA to be sat providing the apprentice has 'attempted' their Functional Skills, and not when they have passed them, hence why we are in the position we're at. We don't want to effectively 'close' their ILR's until we're certain that this 'failed' attempt won't stop us getting the completion monies; especially as they both want to resit their maths eventually after they've had a bit of further training on their weak areas.
Chloe the Skills England website just states the must have 'achieved English and mathematics qualifications in line with the apprenticeship funding rules', but the Gateway requirements allow for th...
Tracey Richardson commented,
Emma Wilmington, having just contacted LRS regarding an issue where we have had a lad completing his FS prior to joining us on an apprenticeship, and as the FS results weren't showing on his PLR due to it being taken outside of being recorded on an ILR, they said to contact the AO for the FS and give them the ULN for the learner and ask them to upload the achievement that way. It may be another way of still being to show the achievement after the event.
Emma Wilmington, having just contacted LRS regarding an issue where we have had a lad completing his FS prior to joining us on an apprenticeship, and as the FS results weren't showing on his PLR du...
Tracey Richardson commented,
Ruth Canham-James you always seem to be the one who provides me with the most logical and appropriate advice when I pose these questions, so hence why I regard you as my guru!! 😁 As we're only a small ITP, we don't have a full MI system, but the company we use for our ILR's might be able to assist with a bit of luck.
Ruth Canham-James you always seem to be the one who provides me with the most logical and appropriate advice when I pose these questions, so hence why I regard you as my guru!! 😁 As we're only a sm...