Becky O'Brien
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Becky O'Brien commented,
For anyone finding this in the future, the answer was right there in the guidance, but being used to a similar status for apprenticeship programmes, I did not see it! Thanks to DFE helpdesk for pointing out that the status is to be 1, 8, but the actual end date should NOT be returned. This should mean that CompStatus_02 would not be triggered. Haven't tested to see if 1,8 by itself works, but am hopeful. UPDATE: It works. Validation rules CompStatus_05 allows it.
For anyone finding this in the future, the answer was right there in the guidance, but being used to a similar status for apprenticeship programmes, I did not see it! Thanks to DFE helpdesk for poi...
Becky O'Brien commented,
Leah Liston Did you ever get a solution to this? I've just coded our learners who are NOT 6 months past their end date as 1, 8 exactly as the guidance says and of course it doesn't like it, because validation rules only exclude FM36 and FM99 apprenticeship programmes from having a continuing status and an end date (CompStatus_02). Going to ask the helpdesk, but wondering if you had an answer?
Leah Liston Did you ever get a solution to this? I've just coded our learners who are NOT 6 months past their end date as 1, 8 exactly as the guidance says and of course it doesn't like it, because...
Becky O'Brien commented,
I don't know for sure. We use EBS and it's not called that. However, there aren't any fields with "Franchising" in the name in the current ILR spec, so I suspect it might be the correct field, it's just got an old name. I'd give it a go and see if it creates errors. If it doesn't then I'd submit a file, then check column AX "Sub contracted or partnership UKPRN" of the Apps Indicative report to see if it turns up.
I don't know for sure. We use EBS and it's not called that. However, there aren't any fields with "Franchising" in the name in the current ILR spec, so I suspect it might be the correct field, it'...
Becky O'Brien commented,
That's where the Validation rules are?!! Thank you all. However, you'd think they'd be in the section called "Validation rules"... right?!
That's where the Validation rules are?!! Thank you all. However, you'd think they'd be in the section called "Validation rules"... right?!
Becky O'Brien commented,
I don't think it's present in any of those reports as it doesn't have any effect on funding. You can use PDSAT (but not for 25-26 at the moment), or could convert your file into .csv using the FIS app, or even add the value into one of the Provider specified fields, then it would appear on both Apps Indicative and Apps Monthly payment in the Period End reports.
I don't think it's present in any of those reports as it doesn't have any effect on funding. You can use PDSAT (but not for 25-26 at the moment), or could convert your file into .csv using the FIS ...
Becky O'Brien commented,
You need to add a FAM record against the FS aims with the Apprenticeship Contract Type recorded, the same as for a programme aim. The Functional skills aims need to be set up with programme type as 25, and the relevant standard code recorded, exactly as on the programme and the vocational aim. That should resolve R30 and R66 (All funded component aims must have a corresponding programme aim with the same Programme type and Standard code). There is a field at aim level called "Subcontracted or partnership UKPRN" where the subcontractor UKPRN should be entered. https://guidance.submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/25-26/ilr/entity/LearningDelivery/field/PartnerUKPRN
You need to add a FAM record against the FS aims with the Apprenticeship Contract Type recorded, the same as for a programme aim. The Functional skills aims need to be set up with programme type a...
Becky O'Brien commented,
Possibly the gap there between August and October? Is the employer they were made redundant from willing to change the stop date so it then tallies up with what you've recorded as the date they were made redundant, and the DFE funding kicked in? Then there's no gap. Also highly recommend asking the Apprenticeship service helpdesk, especially as R14 isn't that far in the future. PS is what you've called the "Actual end date" the achievement date? I don't understand why this after the gateway date.
Possibly the gap there between August and October? Is the employer they were made redundant from willing to change the stop date so it then tallies up with what you've recorded as the date they we...
Becky O'Brien commented,
If you mean the 16-18 additional payments, (which are not incentives), then yes, they are to do with age; or if 19-24, their age and having an EHCP/being a care leaver.
If you mean the 16-18 additional payments, (which are not incentives), then yes, they are to do with age; or if 19-24, their age and having an EHCP/being a care leaver.
Becky O'Brien commented,
I'm not aware of there being a way to do this in advance of it happening, unless your employers will co-operate and let you know if there will be enough to cover the payment. I'm fairly sure that the expectation is that we would be invoicing retrospectively, on the back of the information in the co-investment reports.
I'm not aware of there being a way to do this in advance of it happening, unless your employers will co-operate and let you know if there will be enough to cover the payment. I'm fairly sure that t...
Becky O'Brien commented,
I've just gone looking for published evidence to back up what I do, and I can't anything that is 100% clear, which is odd. However, I believe it is indeed only the monthly payments and not the achievement. I think I established that a few years ago by testing 2 identical aims: one with 0 RPL and one with a one higher than 0. I believe the achievement was paid in both cases, which makes sense, as you'd get that for a very overdue learner who hadn't taken a break and whose OPPs have run out, so you should get it for one who had a break too.
I've just gone looking for published evidence to back up what I do, and I can't anything that is 100% clear, which is odd. However, I believe it is indeed only the monthly payments and not the achi...