Charmaine Keeley
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Charmaine Keeley commented,
Thank you both, well do as you did Ruth. That option makes the most sense.
Thank you both, well do as you did Ruth. That option makes the most sense.
Charmaine Keeley commented,
Ah, yes that makes sense for the stretching FS aims, thank you Ruth Canham-James.
Ah, yes that makes sense for the stretching FS aims, thank you Ruth Canham-James.
Charmaine Keeley commented,
Thanks Ben James. So if the last thing they complete is their Functional Skills, would we use the date from that activity as the AED against the ZPROG and the FS component aim? I'm assuming the AED for the ZPROG can't be earlier than any of the component aim AEDs.
Thanks Ben James. So if the last thing they complete is their Functional Skills, would we use the date from that activity as the AED against the ZPROG and the FS component aim? I'm assuming the AED...
Charmaine Keeley commented,
Steve Hewitt and Jessica De Melo are you both adopting the same approach for Functional Skills, i.e. not recording a fail until you're sure the learner won't be having another go?
Steve Hewitt and Jessica De Melo are you both adopting the same approach for Functional Skills, i.e. not recording a fail until you're sure the learner won't be having another go?
Charmaine Keeley commented,
Thank you Jessica, it's reassuring to hear your experience too :)
Thank you Jessica, it's reassuring to hear your experience too :)
Charmaine Keeley commented,
It's reassuring to have someone talk sense, Steveh! It's daft really, because if they fail the first element, of course we wouldn't record 'no achievement' as the outcome. They'd resit it, then go on to the second element and so on. So it seems strange that the helpdesk think that just because they happen to fail the last element in the sequence that that's it, end of. Why would that one element be treated any differently to the prior elements? I think we'll adopt as per what everyone else seems to be doing. I'm confident I could justify the logic if it were to be challenged. Thanks for your help and advice :)
It's reassuring to have someone talk sense, Steveh! It's daft really, because if they fail the first element, of course we wouldn't record 'no achievement' as the outcome. They'd resit it, then go ...
Charmaine Keeley commented,
Thank you. I emailed the helpdesk this same question earlier today (I thought it would take much longer to get a response from them), but they have just come back with this reply: If all elements of the EPA have been completed but the learner has failed, you should record the ILR as complete - no achievement. If the learner resits EPA please follow the below guidance – https://guidance.submit-learner-data.service.gov.uk/23-24/psm/article/recording-learning-outcomes#article-Recording%20retakes%20and%20resits But this says 'Where no further learning is required and the learner is only resitting the assessment or exam, then this is not funded by the ESFA and a new aim must not be recorded.' but then we'd never get to record the pass, if that is the ultimate end result. And it clearly contradicts the process which most other providers seem to be adopting i.e. not recording an outcome at all until they're sure that is the final result for the apprentice. Whichever way we go, I just don't want it to cause issues at audit later down the line.
Thank you. I emailed the helpdesk this same question earlier today (I thought it would take much longer to get a response from them), but they have just come back with this reply: If all elements o...
Charmaine Keeley commented,
Thanks Steveh, I'll see if I can find the previous threads. Much appreciated.
Thanks Steveh, I'll see if I can find the previous threads. Much appreciated.
Charmaine Keeley commented,
Charmaine Keeley commented,
Martin West no problem at all, I've found this one a minefield if I'm honest because even ESFAs own guidance seems contradictory at times. I just want to ensure we get the funds we're due (and not more), and that we don't fall foul of something at audit. I have queried with the Help Desk also but no response as yet. I asked here on the chance someone may have had the same scenario. I'll update once I've heard back from the Help Desk, assuming they give a definitive answer! Thank you for your advice.
Martin West no problem at all, I've found this one a minefield if I'm honest because even ESFAs own guidance seems contradictory at times. I just want to ensure we get the funds we're due (and not ...